Re: [Amc-list] New aluminum oil pans

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Anyone who has ever thought the 4.0L Jeep pan was not that much deeper then a 258 car pan will vouch for the fact there is not ANY extra room for a deeper pan.
   It will hit something.
Look at the crossmember under 99.9% of our Amc's and Ramblers. You will likely find them scarred by various "things". My 4.0L pan survived one trip down my road, it scraped twice. When I backed the car into the garage the pan snagged the lip going into the garage backwards and peeled open like a sardine can. End of pan. Big mess.
   I would not want a pan that was ANY deeper than a stock pan on any AMC. I don't want the first thing to hit to be that pan ever again.

--
Mark Price
Morgantown, WV
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
" Chronic Pain Hurts"

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Because ground clearance is important on a road racing car, the bottom of
> the car is very close to the ground, the oil pan cannot be some "deep" thing
> that sticks below the crossmember. Many road racing cars have dry sumps with
> external lines connected to the pan to scavenge the oil out of the pan and
> keep it away from the crank. Many small displacement road racing engines (4
> cyl) will have a central trough that the oil falls into in the pan and is
> then scavenged out to the cooler, filter and reservoir. Deep sump and even
> wide pans that add the oil in a bigger horizontal sump carry all the oil in
> the pan which without and even with baffling will end up splashing onto the
> crank during a corner that generates a couple of lateral g's, robbing
> horsepower, potentially uncorking the oil pickup and causing engine damage.
> External oil pumps driven off of belts work much better. The reservoir
> always has oil in it to send into the engine through the pump and cannot
> loose prime by having the pick up go dry. Think of it the same way you think
> of a fuel pick up at the back of the fuel tank in a drag car for
> acceleration g's and maybe that will give you a visualization.
> Armand
> 
> 
> 
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Davis Martin" <martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] New aluminum oil pans
> 
> 
> > I don't understand why anyone would want an external pickup. Does it have
> to do with road racing? I have never done that. I drive on the street and at
> the strip but have only used the deep sump internal pick up.
> >    Davis
> >
> > Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >   Well, I don't have a need for something like this, but I do have a
> question/suggestion. If the pan is made for an external pickup it should be
> easy to make a plug for the external line, making one pan fit both. By
> internal pickup I'm assuming you mean a stock type pickup. I'd think most
> who want a pan like that would want the external pickup.
> >
> > ------------
> > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:55:06 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > I am looking for feedback on the desire for a new V8 all aluminum deep oil
> pan. It will hold approximately 8qt of oil (without hanging down too low),
> have baffling, trap door and windage tray. Working on two options, external
> pick up and internal.
> >
> > -- 
> > Frank Swygert
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