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Re: [Amc-list] My new oil pump adapater but no oil pressure
- From: rebel67@xxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:22:03 +0000
Do I fill the gears in the timing cover with petroleum jelly to prime or the new adapter?
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> 1. Oil Weights (Nick ALFANO)
> 2. My new oil pump adapater but no oil pressure (Jayson Helenske)
> 3. AMC Engine Oils- Bulltear.com (Jesse)
> 4. Re: Oil Weights (Davis Martin)
> 5. Re: My new oil pump adapater but no oil pressure (Davis Martin)
> 6. spring bling show and shine (d stohler)
> 7. car show listings (d stohler)
> 8. Re: car show listings (Steven F. Brueggeman)
> 9. Re: 8 Track Tape Player Servicing - (Kelly Hardie)
> 10. OT: 9" Ford 33 spline carrier? (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx)
> 11. car shows and cruises in SoCal (Joe Smith)
> 12. Re: Oil Weights (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx)
> 13. Re: Harness Wiring Service for 4.0 head EFI installs?
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amc-list] Oil Weights
> To: amc list , Clifton Danley
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> Cliff,
>
> It really depends on the clearance you have in your engine. If you built it a
> little loose for racing, then stick with the 50 weight. If the engine is tight,
> go ahead and switch to 40. It shouldn't hurt anything. If you don't start this
> car in cold weather, you can run straight grade. 40lbs of oil pressure is not
> what I would call too high but more in the realm of just right. If it was
> 65-70 hot and over 80 cold, then I would say yes, that is too high and more than
> you need. My assumption is that you are saying it is 40lbs at an idle after it
> has warmed up to operating temp. Again, I would judge the viscosity of the oil
> I use based on the clearances in the engine first.
>
> If it is a flat tappet engine, run something high in zinc and phosphorus.
> Rotella CJ4 diesel oil, certain synthetic racing oils or Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil
> (this is the highest concentration I have found).
>
> Nick
>
> Alfano Performance
> 4849-76 st.
> Kenosha, WI. 53142
> 262-308-1302
> 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
>
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:46:26 -0400
> From: "Clifton Danley"
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Oil Weights
> To:
> Message-ID: <000601c89d64$6351ba10$0201a8c0@cliff>
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>
> Frank, Nick, and others:
>
> I have a 401 Spirit drag car which does see some street time, and I run
> 15W-50 Mobil 1. Recently I gave a ride to a friend who happens to be an
> experienced AMC V-8 builder, someone whose judgement I thoroughly trust. He
> saw my oil pressure and said to change to 10W-40 (he thought it was too
> high). It never goes below 40 PSI (mechanical gauge). I have the Milodon
> sump with external lines to the oil pump. I plan to switch to diesel 15W-40,
> both reducing the viscosity and getting the additives only found in diesel
> oil now. Comments?
>
> Cliff Danley
> Jacksonville, Florida
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:58:14 -0500
> From: "Jayson Helenske"
> Subject: [Amc-list] My new oil pump adapater but no oil pressure
> To:
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> I recently purchased a new oil pump adapter for my 67 Rebel 290 V8 which was
> recently overhauled last year. I wanted to rid of the old original near 90
> degree flow oil adapter. I am aware that the new 45 degree flow will increase
> oil pressure from the old AMC plague, lack of oil pressure. I even went as far
> as putting a new oil pump gear/pump on with proper clearance, as well for the
> new adapter to make it all complete. Unfortunately I had it all together, I
> wasn't aware of having to prime the adapter with oil. The engine knocked for 5
> seconds, I turned it off, turned over again, knocked again. So, no oil
> pressure. I then took the adapter off again, filled the adapater with oil,
> including the oil filter w/oil. I found this out after googling amc engine oil
> pumps (gear type). Now I'm paranoid. WIll it work? I am very hesitant to turn
> over the engine again. Is there anything else I need to do or I can do to
> ensure this new gear and oil adapter will start up with the
> proper oil pressure without ruining my engine? Any additional advice? Jayson
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:00:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jesse
> Subject: [Amc-list] AMC Engine Oils- Bulltear.com
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> For break in and general good health of your AMC give
> the guys at Bulltear.com an email. They've worked up
> formulations considering our metallurgies, oil
> pressure, pump and plenty of break in additives.... a
> lot better than Rotella for our engines.
>
> Have a great week!
>
> Jesse
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:11:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Davis Martin
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Oil Weights
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
> Message-ID: <322955.63017.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> If your running Hi RPM's the Rotella will foam.
> Valvoline " Not street Legal" racing oil is a good hi zink oil. about 1/2 the
> cost of Gibbs
> Davis
>
> Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Cliff,
>
> It really depends on the clearance you have in your engine. If you built it a
> little loose for racing, then stick with the 50 weight. If the engine is tight,
> go ahead and switch to 40. It shouldn't hurt anything. If you don't start this
> car in cold weather, you can run straight grade. 40lbs of oil pressure is not
> what I would call too high but more in the realm of just right. If it was 65-70
> hot and over 80 cold, then I would say yes, that is too high and more than you
> need. My assumption is that you are saying it is 40lbs at an idle after it has
> warmed up to operating temp. Again, I would judge the viscosity of the oil I use
> based on the clearances in the engine first.
>
> If it is a flat tappet engine, run something high in zinc and phosphorus.
> Rotella CJ4 diesel oil, certain synthetic racing oils or Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil
> (this is the highest concentration I have found).
>
> Nick
>
> Alfano Performance
> 4849-76 st.
> Kenosha, WI. 53142
> 262-308-1302
> 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
>
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:46:26 -0400
> From: "Clifton Danley"
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Oil Weights
> To:
> Message-ID: <000601c89d64$6351ba10$0201a8c0@cliff>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Frank, Nick, and others:
>
> I have a 401 Spirit drag car which does see some street time, and I run
> 15W-50 Mobil 1. Recently I gave a ride to a friend who happens to be an
> experienced AMC V-8 builder, someone whose judgement I thoroughly trust. He
> saw my oil pressure and said to change to 10W-40 (he thought it was too
> high). It never goes below 40 PSI (mechanical gauge). I have the Milodon
> sump with external lines to the oil pump. I plan to switch to diesel 15W-40,
> both reducing the viscosity and getting the additives only found in diesel
> oil now. Comments?
>
> Cliff Danley
> Jacksonville, Florida
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:14:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Davis Martin
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] My new oil pump adapater but no oil pressure
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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> When putting a new pump together you MUST pack it with Petrolium Jelly so it
> will prime.
> If you want better oil pressure I make a better pump
> Davis
>
> Jayson Helenske wrote:
> I recently purchased a new oil pump adapter for my 67 Rebel 290 V8 which was
> recently overhauled last year. I wanted to rid of the old original near 90
> degree flow oil adapter. I am aware that the new 45 degree flow will increase
> oil pressure from the old AMC plague, lack of oil pressure. I even went as far
> as putting a new oil pump gear/pump on with proper clearance, as well for the
> new adapter to make it all complete. Unfortunately I had it all together, I
> wasn't aware of having to prime the adapter with oil. The engine knocked for 5
> seconds, I turned it off, turned over again, knocked again. So, no oil pressure.
> I then took the adapter off again, filled the adapater with oil, including the
> oil filter w/oil. I found this out after googling amc engine oil pumps (gear
> type). Now I'm paranoid. WIll it work? I am very hesitant to turn over the
> engine again. Is there anything else I need to do or I can do to ensure this new
> gear and oil adapter will start up with the
> proper oil pressure without ruining my engine? Any additional advice? Jayson
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:10:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: d stohler
> Subject: [Amc-list] spring bling show and shine
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> for anyone who is close enough to go, there is a
> spring car show in caldwell, id. i know there is
> someone on the list from around there. i plan to be
> going.
>
> who ever it is that is from caldwell i think it is,
> email me off list if you plan to go, maybe we can hook
> up.
>
> heres link to the show.
> http://heapherders.org/index.html
>
> dave stohler
> http://picasaweb.google.com/das24rules
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:19:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: d stohler
> Subject: [Amc-list] car show listings
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> does anyone know of a web site that has car show
> listings by area??
>
> dave stohler
> http://picasaweb.google.com/das24rules
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:02:48 -0500
> From: "Steven F. Brueggeman"
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] car show listings
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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> Our local car club has one.
>
> http://www.tri-statelugnuts.org/events.htm
>
> -Steve-
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "d stohler"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:19 AM
> Subject: [Amc-list] car show listings
>
>
> > does anyone know of a web site that has car show
> > listings by area??
> >
> > dave stohler
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/das24rules
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:26:49 -0600
> From: "Kelly Hardie"
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 8 Track Tape Player Servicing -
> To: hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
>
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> I got a big box of 8-tracks I'll sell you. Comes with a free Matador!
>
> Kelly
>
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Brien Tourville wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > 8 Track Tape Players were the last word in
> > Conspicuous Consumption, back in the days
> > when our cars were *Minty Fresh*.
> >
> > 'Ten Years After' - 'Janis Joplin' - 'Soul Train Hits'
> > hammered the 6x9s until the After market developed
> > Hi-Perf Speaker Kits for Cars.
> >
> > Ponder now what all our Hi-Tech then
> > wrought within the industry these days.
> >
> >
> > - Save a Tape - Save an 8 Track Machine -
> >
> >
> > If your Machine eats a Tape & you want to save the tape,
> > - pull the Player, remove the top & extricate the tape.
> >
> > It will have creases in it from being wound &
> > folded.
> >
> > Hold the tape upside down with the tape
> > hanging down in a loop - gently straighten
> > it out - then quickly pull on one side of the tape
> > down & quickly let it go .
> >
> > It should spin wind itself back up - if not - try the
> > other side.
> >
> >
> > One word of caution:
> >
> > The Rubber Wheel in the 8 Track Cartridge is usually the item that
> > dissolves!
> >
> > Check the condition of your Tape Wheel - if it is 'Gooey' - don't play it.
> >
> > Radio Shack did have Service Kits with Replacement Transport Wheel for 8
> > Tracks
> > but you'll most likely need a www.google.com 8 track Tape Servicing -
> > search to
> > find the supplier these days.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > With the Player Case Top off - take a hard look at the Rubber Transport
> > Wheel
> > in the machine:
> >
> > If it is in smooth condition - you're OK.
> >
> > Clean & Treat it.
> >
> > Run your Finger Nail down & up on the Tape
> > Head - the large square thing with lines on it -
> > see if the worn in ridges are deep - if not -
> > you're OK.
> >
> >
> >
> > Take a ride to Radio Shack with your wallet
> > in tow.
> >
> > Buy their Tape Player Head Cleaner & the long wooden
> > stemmed Q-Tip swabs they sell.
> >
> > Buy the Rubber Tape Wheel Cleaner - Preservative.
> >
> > Buy a Tape Head DeGausser.
> >
> >
> >
> > Use the Cleaner on the Swabs to clean out the interior
> > of the player - lastly - clean the Tape Head with a
> > fresh Swab & Cleaner.
> >
> > Clean the Rubber Transport Wheel edge that contacts the
> > Tape - then treat it with the Preservative & let dry.
> >
> >
> >
> > Plug in the DeGausser - with it ON you have to come in directly with
> > the Tip to touch on one point of Metal just to the left of the Tape
> > Head - then proceed counter clock wise - touching each piece of Metal
> > all way round until you come to the Tape Head.
> >
> > Touch the Tape Head - then Draw the DeGausser straight & directly
> > away from the Tape Head and the Player.
> >
> > You've now removed in Linear Fashion the varying Magnetically Charged
> > Fields from the Machine..
> >
> > Operative wording: In Linear Fashion.
> >
> > The Tape Head - which reads the magnetically charged Oxide [magnetic dirt]
> > on an 8 Track / Cassette Tape can now get a 'clean reading' - you'll get
> > much
> > better sound & the Tapes will last longer.
> >
> >
> > If you use the Player alot - Clean the Tape Head & DeGausse every two
> > months.
> >
> > You don't need to remove the Player - Open the Tape Door, prop it open &
> > send the DeGausser Tip in with it ON, touch the Tape Head then draw it
> > straight
> > back out - don't smear the Electronic Field by coming in at an angle &
> > leaving
> > at a different angle: Straight in - touch - Straight out.
> >
> >
> > If your Players Rubber Tape Transport Wheel is in bad shape - chunking,
> > rubber rot gnarl y,
> > there are replacements available.
> >
> >
> > Short of an Electrical Fire, any 8 Track or Cassette Player can be made
> > functional for very few dollars.
> >
> >
> > I still have my AUTOMATIC RADIO 4-channel 8 Track Tape Player, tough trick
> > is finding Tapes !
> >
> >
> > One word of caution again:
> >
> > The Rubber Wheel in the 8 Track Cartridge is usually the item that
> > dissolves!
> >
> > Check the condition of your Tape Wheel - if it is 'Gooey' - don't play it.
> >
> > Radio Shack did have Service Kits with Replacement Transport Wheel for 8
> > Tracks
> > but you'll most likely need a www.google.com 8 track Tape Servicing -
> > search to
> > find the supplier these days.
> >
> >
> >
> > I had totally forgotten about all this - for a brief moment:
> >
> > "Suddenly it's 1970"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brien
> > NEW YORK
> > eagle registry #501
> > eagle kammback registry
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:53:41 +0000
> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Amc-list] OT: 9" Ford 33 spline carrier?
> To: xjlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (XJlist), strokers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> (Strokers), AMC-DelMarVA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-DelMarVA:
> yahoogroups.com), amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List)
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>
> Somewhat OT, On ebay there is a pair of 33 spline ford 9" axles that will work
> for me.
> Does anyone know if I can get a posi, be it detriot locker or trac loc or
> anything else that not a spool for 33 spline axles in a Ford 9"?
> All my web searches come up empty, nothing but spools, tempting but not what I
> want in the American!
> If these axles stay down in price I can reroute the savings to a Detriot locker
> But it appears the 33 spline is a little "oddball" for the 9". They go either
> 28-31-35. The 33 appears to be of chebbie origin.
> Any help on this is apreciated.
>
> --
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
> " Chronic Pain Hurts"
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:03:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Joe Smith
> Subject: [Amc-list] car shows and cruises in SoCal
> To: AMC List
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> http://www.socalcarculture.com/cruise_nights.html
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:04:33 +0000
> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Oil Weights
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
> Message-ID:
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>
> I never thought about it, but you know it makes sense that thye may indeed leave
> some of the antifoaming agents out of diesel spec oils.
> After all a Diesel is not going to see very much rpm...
>
> --
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
> " Chronic Pain Hurts"
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Davis Martin
> > If your running Hi RPM's the Rotella will foam.
> > Valvoline " Not street Legal" racing oil is a good hi zink oil. about 1/2
> the
> > cost of Gibbs
> > Davis
> >
> > Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:06:16 -0500
> From: Frank Swygert
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Harness Wiring Service for 4.0 head EFI
> installs?
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <480364D8.60907@xxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Either get the custom HESCO harness and alter it (some of the connectors aren't
> on the harness, factory connectors must be used!) or use the factory harness as
> is. The HESCO harness is currently listed at $523, and is made for 91-96 models.
> It requires a 98-99 Jeep coil (different connector) and the CPS wires are at the
> front for the HESCO relocator kit.
>
> Just be careful about modifying the factory harness much! Some of the sensors
> are sensitive to resistance and capacitance changes, so you can't add a lot of
> wire. 12" or so is about the max (shortening has less effect). Relocating the
> power distribution center (relays and fuses) under the dash shouldn't affect
> sensors though.
>
> With a little care and a clean engine compartment to start with, it's easy to
> make the factory wiring look very neat. Mark did the best job I've seen! My own
> installation looks more factory, which means a little less neat than Marks. I
> was building a true daily driver, not a hobby car though... that's the only
> defence I have! Maybe I'll clean mine up a bit one day, but without pulling a
> lot back out and just about starting over, there's not much to be done.
>
> HESCO's harness is pretty universal, and they allow some extra wire where they
> can. They eliminate most of the relays. No AC relay, doesn't look like there's a
> fuel pump relay either. It's a basic get the engine running (racing style)
> harness, add wiring for AC if needed. The fuel pump can be run on a full 12V all
> the time, and that's what HESCO does (apparently, not 100% sure!). The ballast
> resistor cuts voltage to around 9V when cruising to lengthen fuel pump life.
> Otherwise during low demand it's just circulating fuel through the return line.
> I don't know if 97+ systems with the fuel pressure regulator in the tank (no
> return line) have a voltage drop resistor, but I think they do.
>
>
> --------------
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:50:50 +0000
> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Yeah, I could build harnesses, but last I knew you could get a generic one from
> Hesco still.
> Somewhere in the $300+ range, but available.
> Custom harnesses are too variable to mass produce well.
> Some want the ECU hidden some don't
>
> I would not even use most of the factory harness if i was to do it again.
> Just the ECU and sensor connectors and build to my taste.
> I was chicken when I did the American and thought I would play it safe with the
> factory harness, but in retrospect I would have moved the ecu and PDC centers
> back under the dash and cleaned it up even farther.
>
> To do things like that one a for sale basis would take a chassis to lay the
> wiring out in.
>
> --
> Frank Swygert
> Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
> Magazine (AMC)
> For all AMC enthusiasts
> http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
> (free download available!)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:11:40 +0000
> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Harness Wiring Service for 4.0 head EFI
> installs?
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
> Message-ID:
>
> <041420081411.12079.4803661C000CF2EB00002F2F2215568884CDCBCD0A0C079D9F059D0E03@c
> omcast.net>
>
>
> Wranglers up thru at least 96 never got the voltage drop resistor either.
> I take it to mean they did the voltage drop for noise and not life.
> The Wrangler has more tank to body seperation with the full frame, plus the
> owers of the Wrangler are more willing to accept noises like a fuel pump
> running.
> Yeah, an external pump without the voltage drop resistor is noisy.
> Someday maybe I'll do something about it...
>
> --
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
> " Chronic Pain Hurts"
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Frank Swygert
> > Either get the custom HESCO harness and alter it (some of the connectors
> aren't
> > on the harness, factory connectors must be used!) or use the factory harness
> as
> > is. The HESCO harness is currently listed at $523, and is made for 91-96
> models.
> > It requires a 98-99 Jeep coil (different connector) and the CPS wires are at
> the
> > front for the HESCO relocator kit.
> >
> > Just be careful about modifying the factory harness much! Some of the sensors
> > are sensitive to resistance and capacitance changes, so you can't add a lot of
> > wire. 12" or so is about the max (shortening has less effect). Relocating the
> > power distribution center (relays and fuses) under the dash shouldn't affect
> > sensors though.
> >
> > With a little care and a clean engine compartment to start with, it's easy to
> > make the factory wiring look very neat. Mark did the best job I've seen! My
> own
> > installation looks more factory, which means a little less neat than Marks. I
> > was building a true daily driver, not a hobby car though... that's the only
> > defence I have! Maybe I'll clean mine up a bit one day, but without pulling a
> > lot back out and just about starting over, there's not much to be done.
> >
> > HESCO's harness is pretty universal, and they allow some extra wire where they
> > can. They eliminate most of the relays. No AC relay, doesn't look like there's
> a
> > fuel pump relay either. It's a basic get the engine running (racing style)
> > harness, add wiring for AC if needed. The fuel pump can be run on a full 12V
> all
> > the time, and that's what HESCO does (apparently, not 100% sure!). The ballast
> > resistor cuts voltage to around 9V when cruising to lengthen fuel pump life.
> > Otherwise during low demand it's just circulating fuel through the return
> line.
> > I don't know if 97+ systems with the fuel pressure regulator in the tank (no
> > return line) have a voltage drop resistor, but I think they do.
> >
> >
> > --------------
> > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:50:50 +0000
> > From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Yeah, I could build harnesses, but last I knew you could get a generic one
> from
> > Hesco still.
> > Somewhere in the $300+ range, but available.
> > Custom harnesses are too variable to mass produce well.
> > Some want the ECU hidden some don't
> >
> > I would not even use most of the factory harness if i was to do it again.
> > Just the ECU and sensor connectors and build to my taste.
> > I was chicken when I did the American and thought I would play it safe with
> the
> > factory harness, but in retrospect I would have moved the ecu and PDC centers
> > back under the dash and cleaned it up even farther.
> >
> > To do things like that one a for sale basis would take a chassis to lay the
> > wiring out in.
> >
> > --
> > Frank Swygert
> > Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
> > Magazine (AMC)
> > For all AMC enthusiasts
> > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
> > (free download available!)
> >
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