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Do I fill the gears in the timing cover with petroleum jelly to prime or the new adapter?  

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> 3. AMC Engine Oils- Bulltear.com (Jesse) 
> 4. Re: Oil Weights (Davis Martin) 
> 5. Re: My new oil pump adapater but no oil pressure (Davis Martin) 
> 6. spring bling show and shine (d stohler) 
> 7. car show listings (d stohler) 
> 8. Re: car show listings (Steven F. Brueggeman) 
> 9. Re: 8 Track Tape Player Servicing - (Kelly Hardie) 
> 10. OT: 9" Ford 33 spline carrier? (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx) 
> 11. car shows and cruises in SoCal (Joe Smith) 
> 12. Re: Oil Weights (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx) 
> 13. Re: Harness Wiring Service for 4.0 head EFI installs? 
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> Message: 1 
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:01:43 -0700 (PDT) 
> From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> Subject: [Amc-list] Oil Weights 
> To: amc list , Clifton Danley 
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> Cliff, 
> 
> It really depends on the clearance you have in your engine. If you built it a 
> little loose for racing, then stick with the 50 weight. If the engine is tight, 
> go ahead and switch to 40. It shouldn't hurt anything. If you don't start this 
> car in cold weather, you can run straight grade. 40lbs of oil pressure is not 
> what I would call too high but more in the realm of just right. If it was 
> 65-70 hot and over 80 cold, then I would say yes, that is too high and more than 
> you need. My assumption is that you are saying it is 40lbs at an idle after it 
> has warmed up to operating temp. Again, I would judge the viscosity of the oil 
> I use based on the clearances in the engine first. 
> 
> If it is a flat tappet engine, run something high in zinc and phosphorus. 
> Rotella CJ4 diesel oil, certain synthetic racing oils or Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil 
> (this is the highest concentration I have found). 
> 
> Nick 
> 
> Alfano Performance 
> 4849-76 st. 
> Kenosha, WI. 53142 
> 262-308-1302 
> 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends 
> 
> 
> Message: 11 
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:46:26 -0400 
> From: "Clifton Danley" 
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Oil Weights 
> To: 
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> 
> Frank, Nick, and others: 
> 
> I have a 401 Spirit drag car which does see some street time, and I run 
> 15W-50 Mobil 1. Recently I gave a ride to a friend who happens to be an 
> experienced AMC V-8 builder, someone whose judgement I thoroughly trust. He 
> saw my oil pressure and said to change to 10W-40 (he thought it was too 
> high). It never goes below 40 PSI (mechanical gauge). I have the Milodon 
> sump with external lines to the oil pump. I plan to switch to diesel 15W-40, 
> both reducing the viscosity and getting the additives only found in diesel 
> oil now. Comments? 
> 
> Cliff Danley 
> Jacksonville, Florida 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 2 
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:58:14 -0500 
> From: "Jayson Helenske" 
> Subject: [Amc-list] My new oil pump adapater but no oil pressure 
> To: 
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> I recently purchased a new oil pump adapter for my 67 Rebel 290 V8 which was 
> recently overhauled last year. I wanted to rid of the old original near 90 
> degree flow oil adapter. I am aware that the new 45 degree flow will increase 
> oil pressure from the old AMC plague, lack of oil pressure. I even went as far 
> as putting a new oil pump gear/pump on with proper clearance, as well for the 
> new adapter to make it all complete. Unfortunately I had it all together, I 
> wasn't aware of having to prime the adapter with oil. The engine knocked for 5 
> seconds, I turned it off, turned over again, knocked again. So, no oil 
> pressure. I then took the adapter off again, filled the adapater with oil, 
> including the oil filter w/oil. I found this out after googling amc engine oil 
> pumps (gear type). Now I'm paranoid. WIll it work? I am very hesitant to turn 
> over the engine again. Is there anything else I need to do or I can do to 
> ensure this new gear and oil adapter will start up with the 
> proper oil pressure without ruining my engine? Any additional advice? Jayson 
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> Message: 3 
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:00:37 -0700 (PDT) 
> From: Jesse 
> Subject: [Amc-list] AMC Engine Oils- Bulltear.com 
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> For break in and general good health of your AMC give 
> the guys at Bulltear.com an email. They've worked up 
> formulations considering our metallurgies, oil 
> pressure, pump and plenty of break in additives.... a 
> lot better than Rotella for our engines. 
> 
> Have a great week! 
> 
> Jesse 
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> Message: 4 
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:11:10 -0700 (PDT) 
> From: Davis Martin 
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Oil Weights 
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." 
> Message-ID: <322955.63017.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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> 
> If your running Hi RPM's the Rotella will foam. 
> Valvoline " Not street Legal" racing oil is a good hi zink oil. about 1/2 the 
> cost of Gibbs 
> Davis 
> 
> Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> Cliff, 
> 
> It really depends on the clearance you have in your engine. If you built it a 
> little loose for racing, then stick with the 50 weight. If the engine is tight, 
> go ahead and switch to 40. It shouldn't hurt anything. If you don't start this 
> car in cold weather, you can run straight grade. 40lbs of oil pressure is not 
> what I would call too high but more in the realm of just right. If it was 65-70 
> hot and over 80 cold, then I would say yes, that is too high and more than you 
> need. My assumption is that you are saying it is 40lbs at an idle after it has 
> warmed up to operating temp. Again, I would judge the viscosity of the oil I use 
> based on the clearances in the engine first. 
> 
> If it is a flat tappet engine, run something high in zinc and phosphorus. 
> Rotella CJ4 diesel oil, certain synthetic racing oils or Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil 
> (this is the highest concentration I have found). 
> 
> Nick 
> 
> Alfano Performance 
> 4849-76 st. 
> Kenosha, WI. 53142 
> 262-308-1302 
> 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends 
> 
> 
> Message: 11 
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:46:26 -0400 
> From: "Clifton Danley" 
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Oil Weights 
> To: 
> Message-ID: <000601c89d64$6351ba10$0201a8c0@cliff> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; 
> reply-type=original 
> 
> Frank, Nick, and others: 
> 
> I have a 401 Spirit drag car which does see some street time, and I run 
> 15W-50 Mobil 1. Recently I gave a ride to a friend who happens to be an 
> experienced AMC V-8 builder, someone whose judgement I thoroughly trust. He 
> saw my oil pressure and said to change to 10W-40 (he thought it was too 
> high). It never goes below 40 PSI (mechanical gauge). I have the Milodon 
> sump with external lines to the oil pump. I plan to switch to diesel 15W-40, 
> both reducing the viscosity and getting the additives only found in diesel 
> oil now. Comments? 
> 
> Cliff Danley 
> Jacksonville, Florida 
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> Message: 5 
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:14:08 -0700 (PDT) 
> From: Davis Martin 
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] My new oil pump adapater but no oil pressure 
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." 
> Message-ID: <323699.85716.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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> 
> When putting a new pump together you MUST pack it with Petrolium Jelly so it 
> will prime. 
> If you want better oil pressure I make a better pump 
> Davis 
> 
> Jayson Helenske wrote: 
> I recently purchased a new oil pump adapter for my 67 Rebel 290 V8 which was 
> recently overhauled last year. I wanted to rid of the old original near 90 
> degree flow oil adapter. I am aware that the new 45 degree flow will increase 
> oil pressure from the old AMC plague, lack of oil pressure. I even went as far 
> as putting a new oil pump gear/pump on with proper clearance, as well for the 
> new adapter to make it all complete. Unfortunately I had it all together, I 
> wasn't aware of having to prime the adapter with oil. The engine knocked for 5 
> seconds, I turned it off, turned over again, knocked again. So, no oil pressure. 
> I then took the adapter off again, filled the adapater with oil, including the 
> oil filter w/oil. I found this out after googling amc engine oil pumps (gear 
> type). Now I'm paranoid. WIll it work? I am very hesitant to turn over the 
> engine again. Is there anything else I need to do or I can do to ensure this new 
> gear and oil adapter will start up with the 
> proper oil pressure without ruining my engine? Any additional advice? Jayson 
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> Message: 6 
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:10:45 -0700 (PDT) 
> From: d stohler 
> Subject: [Amc-list] spring bling show and shine 
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> for anyone who is close enough to go, there is a 
> spring car show in caldwell, id. i know there is 
> someone on the list from around there. i plan to be 
> going. 
> 
> who ever it is that is from caldwell i think it is, 
> email me off list if you plan to go, maybe we can hook 
> up. 
> 
> heres link to the show. 
> http://heapherders.org/index.html 
> 
> dave stohler 
> http://picasaweb.google.com/das24rules 
> 
> 
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> Message: 7 
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:19:49 -0700 (PDT) 
> From: d stohler 
> Subject: [Amc-list] car show listings 
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> does anyone know of a web site that has car show 
> listings by area?? 
> 
> dave stohler 
> http://picasaweb.google.com/das24rules 
> 
> 
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> Message: 8 
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:02:48 -0500 
> From: "Steven F. Brueggeman" 
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] car show listings 
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." 
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> 
> Our local car club has one. 
> 
> http://www.tri-statelugnuts.org/events.htm 
> 
> -Steve- 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "d stohler" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:19 AM 
> Subject: [Amc-list] car show listings 
> 
> 
> > does anyone know of a web site that has car show 
> > listings by area?? 
> > 
> > dave stohler 
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/das24rules 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> ------------------------------ 
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> Message: 9 
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:26:49 -0600 
> From: "Kelly Hardie" 
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 8 Track Tape Player Servicing - 
> To: hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." 
> 
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> 
> I got a big box of 8-tracks I'll sell you. Comes with a free Matador! 
> 
> Kelly 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Brien Tourville wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 8 Track Tape Players were the last word in 
> > Conspicuous Consumption, back in the days 
> > when our cars were *Minty Fresh*. 
> > 
> > 'Ten Years After' - 'Janis Joplin' - 'Soul Train Hits' 
> > hammered the 6x9s until the After market developed 
> > Hi-Perf Speaker Kits for Cars. 
> > 
> > Ponder now what all our Hi-Tech then 
> > wrought within the industry these days. 
> > 
> > 
> > - Save a Tape - Save an 8 Track Machine - 
> > 
> > 
> > If your Machine eats a Tape & you want to save the tape, 
> > - pull the Player, remove the top & extricate the tape. 
> > 
> > It will have creases in it from being wound & 
> > folded. 
> > 
> > Hold the tape upside down with the tape 
> > hanging down in a loop - gently straighten 
> > it out - then quickly pull on one side of the tape 
> > down & quickly let it go . 
> > 
> > It should spin wind itself back up - if not - try the 
> > other side. 
> > 
> > 
> > One word of caution: 
> > 
> > The Rubber Wheel in the 8 Track Cartridge is usually the item that 
> > dissolves! 
> > 
> > Check the condition of your Tape Wheel - if it is 'Gooey' - don't play it. 
> > 
> > Radio Shack did have Service Kits with Replacement Transport Wheel for 8 
> > Tracks 
> > but you'll most likely need a www.google.com 8 track Tape Servicing - 
> > search to 
> > find the supplier these days. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > With the Player Case Top off - take a hard look at the Rubber Transport 
> > Wheel 
> > in the machine: 
> > 
> > If it is in smooth condition - you're OK. 
> > 
> > Clean & Treat it. 
> > 
> > Run your Finger Nail down & up on the Tape 
> > Head - the large square thing with lines on it - 
> > see if the worn in ridges are deep - if not - 
> > you're OK. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Take a ride to Radio Shack with your wallet 
> > in tow. 
> > 
> > Buy their Tape Player Head Cleaner & the long wooden 
> > stemmed Q-Tip swabs they sell. 
> > 
> > Buy the Rubber Tape Wheel Cleaner - Preservative. 
> > 
> > Buy a Tape Head DeGausser. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Use the Cleaner on the Swabs to clean out the interior 
> > of the player - lastly - clean the Tape Head with a 
> > fresh Swab & Cleaner. 
> > 
> > Clean the Rubber Transport Wheel edge that contacts the 
> > Tape - then treat it with the Preservative & let dry. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Plug in the DeGausser - with it ON you have to come in directly with 
> > the Tip to touch on one point of Metal just to the left of the Tape 
> > Head - then proceed counter clock wise - touching each piece of Metal 
> > all way round until you come to the Tape Head. 
> > 
> > Touch the Tape Head - then Draw the DeGausser straight & directly 
> > away from the Tape Head and the Player. 
> > 
> > You've now removed in Linear Fashion the varying Magnetically Charged 
> > Fields from the Machine.. 
> > 
> > Operative wording: In Linear Fashion. 
> > 
> > The Tape Head - which reads the magnetically charged Oxide [magnetic dirt] 
> > on an 8 Track / Cassette Tape can now get a 'clean reading' - you'll get 
> > much 
> > better sound & the Tapes will last longer. 
> > 
> > 
> > If you use the Player alot - Clean the Tape Head & DeGausse every two 
> > months. 
> > 
> > You don't need to remove the Player - Open the Tape Door, prop it open & 
> > send the DeGausser Tip in with it ON, touch the Tape Head then draw it 
> > straight 
> > back out - don't smear the Electronic Field by coming in at an angle & 
> > leaving 
> > at a different angle: Straight in - touch - Straight out. 
> > 
> > 
> > If your Players Rubber Tape Transport Wheel is in bad shape - chunking, 
> > rubber rot gnarl y, 
> > there are replacements available. 
> > 
> > 
> > Short of an Electrical Fire, any 8 Track or Cassette Player can be made 
> > functional for very few dollars. 
> > 
> > 
> > I still have my AUTOMATIC RADIO 4-channel 8 Track Tape Player, tough trick 
> > is finding Tapes ! 
> > 
> > 
> > One word of caution again: 
> > 
> > The Rubber Wheel in the 8 Track Cartridge is usually the item that 
> > dissolves! 
> > 
> > Check the condition of your Tape Wheel - if it is 'Gooey' - don't play it. 
> > 
> > Radio Shack did have Service Kits with Replacement Transport Wheel for 8 
> > Tracks 
> > but you'll most likely need a www.google.com 8 track Tape Servicing - 
> > search to 
> > find the supplier these days. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I had totally forgotten about all this - for a brief moment: 
> > 
> > "Suddenly it's 1970" 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Brien 
> > NEW YORK 
> > eagle registry #501 
> > eagle kammback registry 
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> Message: 10 
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:53:41 +0000 
> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> Subject: [Amc-list] OT: 9" Ford 33 spline carrier? 
> To: xjlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (XJlist), strokers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> (Strokers), AMC-DelMarVA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-DelMarVA: 
> yahoogroups.com), amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List) 
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> 
> Somewhat OT, On ebay there is a pair of 33 spline ford 9" axles that will work 
> for me. 
> Does anyone know if I can get a posi, be it detriot locker or trac loc or 
> anything else that not a spool for 33 spline axles in a Ford 9"? 
> All my web searches come up empty, nothing but spools, tempting but not what I 
> want in the American! 
> If these axles stay down in price I can reroute the savings to a Detriot locker 
> But it appears the 33 spline is a little "oddball" for the 9". They go either 
> 28-31-35. The 33 appears to be of chebbie origin. 
> Any help on this is apreciated. 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Price 
> Morgantown, WV 
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5 
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II 
> " Chronic Pain Hurts" 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 11 
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:03:35 -0700 (PDT) 
> From: Joe Smith 
> Subject: [Amc-list] car shows and cruises in SoCal 
> To: AMC List 
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> http://www.socalcarculture.com/cruise_nights.html 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 12 
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:04:33 +0000 
> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Oil Weights 
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." 
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> 
> I never thought about it, but you know it makes sense that thye may indeed leave 
> some of the antifoaming agents out of diesel spec oils. 
> After all a Diesel is not going to see very much rpm... 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Price 
> Morgantown, WV 
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5 
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II 
> " Chronic Pain Hurts" 
> 
> -------------- Original message ---------------------- 
> From: Davis Martin 
> > If your running Hi RPM's the Rotella will foam. 
> > Valvoline " Not street Legal" racing oil is a good hi zink oil. about 1/2 
> the 
> > cost of Gibbs 
> > Davis 
> > 
> > Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 13 
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:06:16 -0500 
> From: Frank Swygert 
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Harness Wiring Service for 4.0 head EFI 
> installs? 
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
> Message-ID: <480364D8.60907@xxxxxxx> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 
> 
> Either get the custom HESCO harness and alter it (some of the connectors aren't 
> on the harness, factory connectors must be used!) or use the factory harness as 
> is. The HESCO harness is currently listed at $523, and is made for 91-96 models. 
> It requires a 98-99 Jeep coil (different connector) and the CPS wires are at the 
> front for the HESCO relocator kit. 
> 
> Just be careful about modifying the factory harness much! Some of the sensors 
> are sensitive to resistance and capacitance changes, so you can't add a lot of 
> wire. 12" or so is about the max (shortening has less effect). Relocating the 
> power distribution center (relays and fuses) under the dash shouldn't affect 
> sensors though. 
> 
> With a little care and a clean engine compartment to start with, it's easy to 
> make the factory wiring look very neat. Mark did the best job I've seen! My own 
> installation looks more factory, which means a little less neat than Marks. I 
> was building a true daily driver, not a hobby car though... that's the only 
> defence I have! Maybe I'll clean mine up a bit one day, but without pulling a 
> lot back out and just about starting over, there's not much to be done. 
> 
> HESCO's harness is pretty universal, and they allow some extra wire where they 
> can. They eliminate most of the relays. No AC relay, doesn't look like there's a 
> fuel pump relay either. It's a basic get the engine running (racing style) 
> harness, add wiring for AC if needed. The fuel pump can be run on a full 12V all 
> the time, and that's what HESCO does (apparently, not 100% sure!). The ballast 
> resistor cuts voltage to around 9V when cruising to lengthen fuel pump life. 
> Otherwise during low demand it's just circulating fuel through the return line. 
> I don't know if 97+ systems with the fuel pressure regulator in the tank (no 
> return line) have a voltage drop resistor, but I think they do. 
> 
> 
> -------------- 
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:50:50 +0000 
> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> 
> Yeah, I could build harnesses, but last I knew you could get a generic one from 
> Hesco still. 
> Somewhere in the $300+ range, but available. 
> Custom harnesses are too variable to mass produce well. 
> Some want the ECU hidden some don't 
> 
> I would not even use most of the factory harness if i was to do it again. 
> Just the ECU and sensor connectors and build to my taste. 
> I was chicken when I did the American and thought I would play it safe with the 
> factory harness, but in retrospect I would have moved the ecu and PDC centers 
> back under the dash and cleaned it up even farther. 
> 
> To do things like that one a for sale basis would take a chassis to lay the 
> wiring out in. 
> 
> -- 
> Frank Swygert 
> Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
> Magazine (AMC) 
> For all AMC enthusiasts 
> http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html 
> (free download available!) 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 14 
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:11:40 +0000 
> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Harness Wiring Service for 4.0 head EFI 
> installs? 
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." 
> Message-ID: 
> 
> <041420081411.12079.4803661C000CF2EB00002F2F2215568884CDCBCD0A0C079D9F059D0E03@c 
> omcast.net> 
> 
> 
> Wranglers up thru at least 96 never got the voltage drop resistor either. 
> I take it to mean they did the voltage drop for noise and not life. 
> The Wrangler has more tank to body seperation with the full frame, plus the 
> owers of the Wrangler are more willing to accept noises like a fuel pump 
> running. 
> Yeah, an external pump without the voltage drop resistor is noisy. 
> Someday maybe I'll do something about it... 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Price 
> Morgantown, WV 
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5 
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II 
> " Chronic Pain Hurts" 
> 
> -------------- Original message ---------------------- 
> From: Frank Swygert 
> > Either get the custom HESCO harness and alter it (some of the connectors 
> aren't 
> > on the harness, factory connectors must be used!) or use the factory harness 
> as 
> > is. The HESCO harness is currently listed at $523, and is made for 91-96 
> models. 
> > It requires a 98-99 Jeep coil (different connector) and the CPS wires are at 
> the 
> > front for the HESCO relocator kit. 
> > 
> > Just be careful about modifying the factory harness much! Some of the sensors 
> > are sensitive to resistance and capacitance changes, so you can't add a lot of 
> > wire. 12" or so is about the max (shortening has less effect). Relocating the 
> > power distribution center (relays and fuses) under the dash shouldn't affect 
> > sensors though. 
> > 
> > With a little care and a clean engine compartment to start with, it's easy to 
> > make the factory wiring look very neat. Mark did the best job I've seen! My 
> own 
> > installation looks more factory, which means a little less neat than Marks. I 
> > was building a true daily driver, not a hobby car though... that's the only 
> > defence I have! Maybe I'll clean mine up a bit one day, but without pulling a 
> > lot back out and just about starting over, there's not much to be done. 
> > 
> > HESCO's harness is pretty universal, and they allow some extra wire where they 
> > can. They eliminate most of the relays. No AC relay, doesn't look like there's 
> a 
> > fuel pump relay either. It's a basic get the engine running (racing style) 
> > harness, add wiring for AC if needed. The fuel pump can be run on a full 12V 
> all 
> > the time, and that's what HESCO does (apparently, not 100% sure!). The ballast 
> > resistor cuts voltage to around 9V when cruising to lengthen fuel pump life. 
> > Otherwise during low demand it's just circulating fuel through the return 
> line. 
> > I don't know if 97+ systems with the fuel pressure regulator in the tank (no 
> > return line) have a voltage drop resistor, but I think they do. 
> > 
> > 
> > -------------- 
> > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:50:50 +0000 
> > From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> > 
> > Yeah, I could build harnesses, but last I knew you could get a generic one 
> from 
> > Hesco still. 
> > Somewhere in the $300+ range, but available. 
> > Custom harnesses are too variable to mass produce well. 
> > Some want the ECU hidden some don't 
> > 
> > I would not even use most of the factory harness if i was to do it again. 
> > Just the ECU and sensor connectors and build to my taste. 
> > I was chicken when I did the American and thought I would play it safe with 
> the 
> > factory harness, but in retrospect I would have moved the ecu and PDC centers 
> > back under the dash and cleaned it up even farther. 
> > 
> > To do things like that one a for sale basis would take a chassis to lay the 
> > wiring out in. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Frank Swygert 
> > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
> > Magazine (AMC) 
> > For all AMC enthusiasts 
> > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html 
> > (free download available!) 
> > 
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