Do I fill the gears in the timing cover with petroleum jelly to prime or the new adapter? -------------- Original message -------------- From: amc-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Send Amc-list mailing list submissions to > amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > amc-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > You can reach the person managing the list at > amc-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Amc-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Oil Weights (Nick ALFANO) > 2. My new oil pump adapater but no oil pressure (Jayson Helenske) > 3. AMC Engine Oils- Bulltear.com (Jesse) > 4. Re: Oil Weights (Davis Martin) > 5. Re: My new oil pump adapater but no oil pressure (Davis Martin) > 6. spring bling show and shine (d stohler) > 7. car show listings (d stohler) > 8. Re: car show listings (Steven F. Brueggeman) > 9. Re: 8 Track Tape Player Servicing - (Kelly Hardie) > 10. OT: 9" Ford 33 spline carrier? (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx) > 11. car shows and cruises in SoCal (Joe Smith) > 12. Re: Oil Weights (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx) > 13. Re: Harness Wiring Service for 4.0 head EFI installs? > (Frank Swygert) > 14. Re: Harness Wiring Service for 4.0 head EFI installs? > (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:01:43 -0700 (PDT) > From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [Amc-list] Oil Weights > To: amc list , Clifton Danley > Message-ID: <351342.28306.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Cliff, > > It really depends on the clearance you have in your engine. If you built it a > little loose for racing, then stick with the 50 weight. If the engine is tight, > go ahead and switch to 40. It shouldn't hurt anything. If you don't start this > car in cold weather, you can run straight grade. 40lbs of oil pressure is not > what I would call too high but more in the realm of just right. If it was > 65-70 hot and over 80 cold, then I would say yes, that is too high and more than > you need. My assumption is that you are saying it is 40lbs at an idle after it > has warmed up to operating temp. Again, I would judge the viscosity of the oil > I use based on the clearances in the engine first. > > If it is a flat tappet engine, run something high in zinc and phosphorus. > Rotella CJ4 diesel oil, certain synthetic racing oils or Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil > (this is the highest concentration I have found). > > Nick > > Alfano Performance > 4849-76 st. > Kenosha, WI. 53142 > 262-308-1302 > 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends > > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:46:26 -0400 > From: "Clifton Danley" > Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Oil Weights > To: > Message-ID: <000601c89d64$6351ba10$0201a8c0@cliff> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Frank, Nick, and others: > > I have a 401 Spirit drag car which does see some street time, and I run > 15W-50 Mobil 1. Recently I gave a ride to a friend who happens to be an > experienced AMC V-8 builder, someone whose judgement I thoroughly trust. He > saw my oil pressure and said to change to 10W-40 (he thought it was too > high). It never goes below 40 PSI (mechanical gauge). I have the Milodon > sump with external lines to the oil pump. I plan to switch to diesel 15W-40, > both reducing the viscosity and getting the additives only found in diesel > oil now. Comments? > > Cliff Danley > Jacksonville, Florida > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:58:14 -0500 > From: "Jayson Helenske" > Subject: [Amc-list] My new oil pump adapater but no oil pressure > To: > Message-ID: <000901c89de3$c51c1c70$6701a8c0@toshibauser> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > I recently purchased a new oil pump adapter for my 67 Rebel 290 V8 which was > recently overhauled last year. I wanted to rid of the old original near 90 > degree flow oil adapter. I am aware that the new 45 degree flow will increase > oil pressure from the old AMC plague, lack of oil pressure. I even went as far > as putting a new oil pump gear/pump on with proper clearance, as well for the > new adapter to make it all complete. Unfortunately I had it all together, I > wasn't aware of having to prime the adapter with oil. The engine knocked for 5 > seconds, I turned it off, turned over again, knocked again. So, no oil > pressure. I then took the adapter off again, filled the adapater with oil, > including the oil filter w/oil. I found this out after googling amc engine oil > pumps (gear type). Now I'm paranoid. WIll it work? I am very hesitant to turn > over the engine again. Is there anything else I need to do or I can do to > ensure this new gear and oil adapter will start up with the > proper oil pressure without ruining my engine? Any additional advice? Jayson > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://splatter.wps.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20080413/a1693a09/attachm > ent.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:00:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jesse > Subject: [Amc-list] AMC Engine Oils- Bulltear.com > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <517596.34909.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > For break in and general good health of your AMC give > the guys at Bulltear.com an email. They've worked up > formulations considering our metallurgies, oil > pressure, pump and plenty of break in additives.... a > lot better than Rotella for our engines. > > Have a great week! > > Jesse > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:11:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: Davis Martin > Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Oil Weights > To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." > Message-ID: <322955.63017.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > If your running Hi RPM's the Rotella will foam. > Valvoline " Not street Legal" racing oil is a good hi zink oil. about 1/2 the > cost of Gibbs > Davis > > Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Cliff, > > It really depends on the clearance you have in your engine. If you built it a > little loose for racing, then stick with the 50 weight. If the engine is tight, > go ahead and switch to 40. It shouldn't hurt anything. If you don't start this > car in cold weather, you can run straight grade. 40lbs of oil pressure is not > what I would call too high but more in the realm of just right. If it was 65-70 > hot and over 80 cold, then I would say yes, that is too high and more than you > need. My assumption is that you are saying it is 40lbs at an idle after it has > warmed up to operating temp. Again, I would judge the viscosity of the oil I use > based on the clearances in the engine first. > > If it is a flat tappet engine, run something high in zinc and phosphorus. > Rotella CJ4 diesel oil, certain synthetic racing oils or Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil > (this is the highest concentration I have found). > > Nick > > Alfano Performance > 4849-76 st. > Kenosha, WI. 53142 > 262-308-1302 > 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends > > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:46:26 -0400 > From: "Clifton Danley" > Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Oil Weights > To: > Message-ID: <000601c89d64$6351ba10$0201a8c0@cliff> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Frank, Nick, and others: > > I have a 401 Spirit drag car which does see some street time, and I run > 15W-50 Mobil 1. Recently I gave a ride to a friend who happens to be an > experienced AMC V-8 builder, someone whose judgement I thoroughly trust. He > saw my oil pressure and said to change to 10W-40 (he thought it was too > high). It never goes below 40 PSI (mechanical gauge). I have the Milodon > sump with external lines to the oil pump. I plan to switch to diesel 15W-40, > both reducing the viscosity and getting the additives only found in diesel > oil now. Comments? > > Cliff Danley > Jacksonville, Florida > _______________________________________________ > Amc-list mailing list > Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://splatter.wps.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20080413/289d07da/attachm > ent.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:14:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Davis Martin > Subject: Re: [Amc-list] My new oil pump adapater but no oil pressure > To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." > Message-ID: <323699.85716.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > When putting a new pump together you MUST pack it with Petrolium Jelly so it > will prime. > If you want better oil pressure I make a better pump > Davis > > Jayson Helenske wrote: > I recently purchased a new oil pump adapter for my 67 Rebel 290 V8 which was > recently overhauled last year. I wanted to rid of the old original near 90 > degree flow oil adapter. I am aware that the new 45 degree flow will increase > oil pressure from the old AMC plague, lack of oil pressure. I even went as far > as putting a new oil pump gear/pump on with proper clearance, as well for the > new adapter to make it all complete. Unfortunately I had it all together, I > wasn't aware of having to prime the adapter with oil. The engine knocked for 5 > seconds, I turned it off, turned over again, knocked again. So, no oil pressure. > I then took the adapter off again, filled the adapater with oil, including the > oil filter w/oil. I found this out after googling amc engine oil pumps (gear > type). Now I'm paranoid. WIll it work? I am very hesitant to turn over the > engine again. Is there anything else I need to do or I can do to ensure this new > gear and oil adapter will start up with the > proper oil pressure without ruining my engine? Any additional advice? Jayson > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://splatter.wps.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20080413/a1693a09/attachm > ent.htm > _______________________________________________ > Amc-list mailing list > Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://splatter.wps.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20080413/9a462689/attachm > ent.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:10:45 -0700 (PDT) > From: d stohler > Subject: [Amc-list] spring bling show and shine > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <73925.64620.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > for anyone who is close enough to go, there is a > spring car show in caldwell, id. i know there is > someone on the list from around there. i plan to be > going. > > who ever it is that is from caldwell i think it is, > email me off list if you plan to go, maybe we can hook > up. > > heres link to the show. > http://heapherders.org/index.html > > dave stohler > http://picasaweb.google.com/das24rules > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:19:49 -0700 (PDT) > From: d stohler > Subject: [Amc-list] car show listings > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <722754.24052.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > does anyone know of a web site that has car show > listings by area?? > > dave stohler > http://picasaweb.google.com/das24rules > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:02:48 -0500 > From: "Steven F. Brueggeman" > Subject: Re: [Amc-list] car show listings > To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." > Message-ID: <00bb01c89e1f$1361a400$aa20d662@your9efcb93c24> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Our local car club has one. > > http://www.tri-statelugnuts.org/events.htm > > -Steve- > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "d stohler" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:19 AM > Subject: [Amc-list] car show listings > > > > does anyone know of a web site that has car show > > listings by area?? > > > > dave stohler > > http://picasaweb.google.com/das24rules > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > _______________________________________________ > > Amc-list mailing list > > Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:26:49 -0600 > From: "Kelly Hardie" > Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 8 Track Tape Player Servicing - > To: hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I got a big box of 8-tracks I'll sell you. Comes with a free Matador! > > Kelly > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Brien Tourville wrote: > > > > > > > 8 Track Tape Players were the last word in > > Conspicuous Consumption, back in the days > > when our cars were *Minty Fresh*. > > > > 'Ten Years After' - 'Janis Joplin' - 'Soul Train Hits' > > hammered the 6x9s until the After market developed > > Hi-Perf Speaker Kits for Cars. > > > > Ponder now what all our Hi-Tech then > > wrought within the industry these days. > > > > > > - Save a Tape - Save an 8 Track Machine - > > > > > > If your Machine eats a Tape & you want to save the tape, > > - pull the Player, remove the top & extricate the tape. > > > > It will have creases in it from being wound & > > folded. > > > > Hold the tape upside down with the tape > > hanging down in a loop - gently straighten > > it out - then quickly pull on one side of the tape > > down & quickly let it go . > > > > It should spin wind itself back up - if not - try the > > other side. > > > > > > One word of caution: > > > > The Rubber Wheel in the 8 Track Cartridge is usually the item that > > dissolves! > > > > Check the condition of your Tape Wheel - if it is 'Gooey' - don't play it. > > > > Radio Shack did have Service Kits with Replacement Transport Wheel for 8 > > Tracks > > but you'll most likely need a www.google.com 8 track Tape Servicing - > > search to > > find the supplier these days. > > > > > > > > > > > > With the Player Case Top off - take a hard look at the Rubber Transport > > Wheel > > in the machine: > > > > If it is in smooth condition - you're OK. > > > > Clean & Treat it. > > > > Run your Finger Nail down & up on the Tape > > Head - the large square thing with lines on it - > > see if the worn in ridges are deep - if not - > > you're OK. > > > > > > > > Take a ride to Radio Shack with your wallet > > in tow. > > > > Buy their Tape Player Head Cleaner & the long wooden > > stemmed Q-Tip swabs they sell. > > > > Buy the Rubber Tape Wheel Cleaner - Preservative. > > > > Buy a Tape Head DeGausser. > > > > > > > > Use the Cleaner on the Swabs to clean out the interior > > of the player - lastly - clean the Tape Head with a > > fresh Swab & Cleaner. > > > > Clean the Rubber Transport Wheel edge that contacts the > > Tape - then treat it with the Preservative & let dry. > > > > > > > > Plug in the DeGausser - with it ON you have to come in directly with > > the Tip to touch on one point of Metal just to the left of the Tape > > Head - then proceed counter clock wise - touching each piece of Metal > > all way round until you come to the Tape Head. > > > > Touch the Tape Head - then Draw the DeGausser straight & directly > > away from the Tape Head and the Player. > > > > You've now removed in Linear Fashion the varying Magnetically Charged > > Fields from the Machine.. > > > > Operative wording: In Linear Fashion. > > > > The Tape Head - which reads the magnetically charged Oxide [magnetic dirt] > > on an 8 Track / Cassette Tape can now get a 'clean reading' - you'll get > > much > > better sound & the Tapes will last longer. > > > > > > If you use the Player alot - Clean the Tape Head & DeGausse every two > > months. > > > > You don't need to remove the Player - Open the Tape Door, prop it open & > > send the DeGausser Tip in with it ON, touch the Tape Head then draw it > > straight > > back out - don't smear the Electronic Field by coming in at an angle & > > leaving > > at a different angle: Straight in - touch - Straight out. > > > > > > If your Players Rubber Tape Transport Wheel is in bad shape - chunking, > > rubber rot gnarl y, > > there are replacements available. > > > > > > Short of an Electrical Fire, any 8 Track or Cassette Player can be made > > functional for very few dollars. > > > > > > I still have my AUTOMATIC RADIO 4-channel 8 Track Tape Player, tough trick > > is finding Tapes ! > > > > > > One word of caution again: > > > > The Rubber Wheel in the 8 Track Cartridge is usually the item that > > dissolves! > > > > Check the condition of your Tape Wheel - if it is 'Gooey' - don't play it. > > > > Radio Shack did have Service Kits with Replacement Transport Wheel for 8 > > Tracks > > but you'll most likely need a www.google.com 8 track Tape Servicing - > > search to > > find the supplier these days. > > > > > > > > I had totally forgotten about all this - for a brief moment: > > > > "Suddenly it's 1970" > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Brien > > NEW YORK > > eagle registry #501 > > eagle kammback registry > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > http://splatter.wps.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20080413/af94b9c8/attachm > ent.htm > > _______________________________________________ > > Amc-list mailing list > > Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://splatter.wps.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20080414/62f7eaab/attachm > ent.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:53:41 +0000 > From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [Amc-list] OT: 9" Ford 33 spline carrier? > To: xjlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (XJlist), strokers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > (Strokers), AMC-DelMarVA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-DelMarVA: > yahoogroups.com), amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List) > Message-ID: > > <041420081353.10354.480361E50005ED10000028722215568884CDCBCD0A0C079D9F059D0E03@c > omcast.net> > > > Somewhat OT, On ebay there is a pair of 33 spline ford 9" axles that will work > for me. > Does anyone know if I can get a posi, be it detriot locker or trac loc or > anything else that not a spool for 33 spline axles in a Ford 9"? > All my web searches come up empty, nothing but spools, tempting but not what I > want in the American! > If these axles stay down in price I can reroute the savings to a Detriot locker > But it appears the 33 spline is a little "oddball" for the 9". They go either > 28-31-35. The 33 appears to be of chebbie origin. > Any help on this is apreciated. > > -- > Mark Price > Morgantown, WV > 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5 > 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II > " Chronic Pain Hurts" > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:03:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: Joe Smith > Subject: [Amc-list] car shows and cruises in SoCal > To: AMC List > Message-ID: <834019.73259.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > http://www.socalcarculture.com/cruise_nights.html > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://splatter.wps.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20080414/5a2b83d2/attachm > ent.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:04:33 +0000 > From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Oil Weights > To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." > Message-ID: > > <041420081404.16634.480364710007F1C0000040FA2215568884CDCBCD0A0C079D9F059D0E03@c > omcast.net> > > > I never thought about it, but you know it makes sense that thye may indeed leave > some of the antifoaming agents out of diesel spec oils. > After all a Diesel is not going to see very much rpm... > > -- > Mark Price > Morgantown, WV > 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5 > 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II > " Chronic Pain Hurts" > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Davis Martin > > If your running Hi RPM's the Rotella will foam. > > Valvoline " Not street Legal" racing oil is a good hi zink oil. about 1/2 > the > > cost of Gibbs > > Davis > > > > Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:06:16 -0500 > From: Frank Swygert > Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Harness Wiring Service for 4.0 head EFI > installs? > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <480364D8.60907@xxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Either get the custom HESCO harness and alter it (some of the connectors aren't > on the harness, factory connectors must be used!) or use the factory harness as > is. The HESCO harness is currently listed at $523, and is made for 91-96 models. > It requires a 98-99 Jeep coil (different connector) and the CPS wires are at the > front for the HESCO relocator kit. > > Just be careful about modifying the factory harness much! Some of the sensors > are sensitive to resistance and capacitance changes, so you can't add a lot of > wire. 12" or so is about the max (shortening has less effect). Relocating the > power distribution center (relays and fuses) under the dash shouldn't affect > sensors though. > > With a little care and a clean engine compartment to start with, it's easy to > make the factory wiring look very neat. Mark did the best job I've seen! My own > installation looks more factory, which means a little less neat than Marks. I > was building a true daily driver, not a hobby car though... that's the only > defence I have! Maybe I'll clean mine up a bit one day, but without pulling a > lot back out and just about starting over, there's not much to be done. > > HESCO's harness is pretty universal, and they allow some extra wire where they > can. They eliminate most of the relays. No AC relay, doesn't look like there's a > fuel pump relay either. It's a basic get the engine running (racing style) > harness, add wiring for AC if needed. The fuel pump can be run on a full 12V all > the time, and that's what HESCO does (apparently, not 100% sure!). The ballast > resistor cuts voltage to around 9V when cruising to lengthen fuel pump life. > Otherwise during low demand it's just circulating fuel through the return line. > I don't know if 97+ systems with the fuel pressure regulator in the tank (no > return line) have a voltage drop resistor, but I think they do. > > > -------------- > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:50:50 +0000 > From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx > > Yeah, I could build harnesses, but last I knew you could get a generic one from > Hesco still. > Somewhere in the $300+ range, but available. > Custom harnesses are too variable to mass produce well. > Some want the ECU hidden some don't > > I would not even use most of the factory harness if i was to do it again. > Just the ECU and sensor connectors and build to my taste. > I was chicken when I did the American and thought I would play it safe with the > factory harness, but in retrospect I would have moved the ecu and PDC centers > back under the dash and cleaned it up even farther. > > To do things like that one a for sale basis would take a chassis to lay the > wiring out in. > > -- > Frank Swygert > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" > Magazine (AMC) > For all AMC enthusiasts > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > (free download available!) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:11:40 +0000 > From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Harness Wiring Service for 4.0 head EFI > installs? > To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." > Message-ID: > > <041420081411.12079.4803661C000CF2EB00002F2F2215568884CDCBCD0A0C079D9F059D0E03@c > omcast.net> > > > Wranglers up thru at least 96 never got the voltage drop resistor either. > I take it to mean they did the voltage drop for noise and not life. > The Wrangler has more tank to body seperation with the full frame, plus the > owers of the Wrangler are more willing to accept noises like a fuel pump > running. > Yeah, an external pump without the voltage drop resistor is noisy. > Someday maybe I'll do something about it... > > -- > Mark Price > Morgantown, WV > 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5 > 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II > " Chronic Pain Hurts" > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Frank Swygert > > Either get the custom HESCO harness and alter it (some of the connectors > aren't > > on the harness, factory connectors must be used!) or use the factory harness > as > > is. The HESCO harness is currently listed at $523, and is made for 91-96 > models. > > It requires a 98-99 Jeep coil (different connector) and the CPS wires are at > the > > front for the HESCO relocator kit. > > > > Just be careful about modifying the factory harness much! Some of the sensors > > are sensitive to resistance and capacitance changes, so you can't add a lot of > > wire. 12" or so is about the max (shortening has less effect). Relocating the > > power distribution center (relays and fuses) under the dash shouldn't affect > > sensors though. > > > > With a little care and a clean engine compartment to start with, it's easy to > > make the factory wiring look very neat. Mark did the best job I've seen! My > own > > installation looks more factory, which means a little less neat than Marks. I > > was building a true daily driver, not a hobby car though... that's the only > > defence I have! Maybe I'll clean mine up a bit one day, but without pulling a > > lot back out and just about starting over, there's not much to be done. > > > > HESCO's harness is pretty universal, and they allow some extra wire where they > > can. They eliminate most of the relays. No AC relay, doesn't look like there's > a > > fuel pump relay either. It's a basic get the engine running (racing style) > > harness, add wiring for AC if needed. The fuel pump can be run on a full 12V > all > > the time, and that's what HESCO does (apparently, not 100% sure!). The ballast > > resistor cuts voltage to around 9V when cruising to lengthen fuel pump life. > > Otherwise during low demand it's just circulating fuel through the return > line. > > I don't know if 97+ systems with the fuel pressure regulator in the tank (no > > return line) have a voltage drop resistor, but I think they do. > > > > > > -------------- > > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:50:50 +0000 > > From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Yeah, I could build harnesses, but last I knew you could get a generic one > from > > Hesco still. > > Somewhere in the $300+ range, but available. > > Custom harnesses are too variable to mass produce well. > > Some want the ECU hidden some don't > > > > I would not even use most of the factory harness if i was to do it again. > > Just the ECU and sensor connectors and build to my taste. > > I was chicken when I did the American and thought I would play it safe with > the > > factory harness, but in retrospect I would have moved the ecu and PDC centers > > back under the dash and cleaned it up even farther. > > > > To do things like that one a for sale basis would take a chassis to lay the > > wiring out in. > > > > -- > > Frank Swygert > > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" > > Magazine (AMC) > > For all AMC enthusiasts > > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > > (free download available!) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Amc-list mailing list > > Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Amc-list mailing list > Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > > End of Amc-list Digest, Vol 16, Issue 36 > **************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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