Re: [Amc-list] car on eBay (electric Concord)

[Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>]

Garry, I know you're a bit sensitive on this, but Jon hasn't asked anything that I wouldn't have asked. You don't state in the auction that the miles are documented. I would ask if you were sure it's 491 miles instead of 100,491 miles on a car of this age also (well, maybe not since I have "known" you from the list over the last few years). 491 miles IS a bit unusual, even for an electric car (home or factory conversion). You'd have had fewer questions about mileage if it had 10,491 on it! That or put in the auction that you have proof of the mileage (then you'd have questions as to what kind of proof though!!). Try to put yourself in the buyer's shoes -- you're dealing with a practically unknown (today) car and conversion company, and an unknown seller in another state. 

In the pic showing the motor and someone holding the battery tray there appears to be batteries present. Are they 6, 8, or 12V? Any size numbers on one of the batteries? In an electric car of this vintage they are most likely 6 or 8 volt golf cart batteries. Of course you can tell voltage by number of cells -- 2V for every cell (I can't see them clearly in the photo, but appears to be four cells per battery indicating 8V). If I were interested in the car I'd like to get an idea of what batteries would cost also. 24 batteries at $75 or so each is $1800 -- not cheap! But it's still a bargain for an electric at your starting bid price -- under $4500 total.  Some more work needs to be done, but much cheaper than the average conversion. Many electric car types want to create their own conversion though.

Showing a photo of the emissions sticker probably wasn't a good idea. This brings up the questions about a home conversion -- it obviously came from the AMC factory with a gasoline engine. 

I know a little about the history of Solargen. The sticker makes it obvious that they didn't have any special deal with AMC to provide cars -- they bought them complete with engines then converted at their facility, probably selling the original engine and trans back to a  local dealer or some salvage facility. AMC would have required a large order to specially prepare cars, even deleting major expensive components. For a dozen cars they couldn't have dropped much off the price even without an engine and trans -- it still has to go through the same assembly line and would require more handling near the end and for loading/unloading as it had no power source. It was probably cheaper to buy a few of the cars direct from the factory through a fleet sales type deal than have them made with no engine/trans. 


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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:06:12 -0600
From: "Garry Nordstrom" <gasnordstrom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] car on eBay
To: "Jon Dressen" <jon.dressen@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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How dare you think that it has  more miles than stated, this is the original as stated, this is one of a kind that has the original  miles as stated on the title, were are very honest and very devoted to AMC.
They had foresight before many others, this has no rust and yes the headliner is sagging, but some spray glue, it's done.
The only reason this car is for sale is that I encountered some bad medical problems, or it would be done, and now have overcome them and have the energy to complete
The electical  was installed at 0 miles by solargen.  This according to owners of salorgen was a demo car used in Penn, still has the sticker.

I am honesty thinking of just keeping it, and pulling the listing.  It has value  in that it is the only true electrical car by AMC and Solargen.  To those good luck in finding such a car.
Garry.

P.S.  don't mean to harsh, but that amoung other comments (about 100)  has really  made me rethink about selling it.  It is an educational tool, as well as historical.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jon Dressen 
  To: gasnordstrom@xxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:34 PM
  Subject: car on eBay


  hi, 
  I saw your AMC posted on line and was wondering if you knew when it was last used or licensed and on the road? does the odometer show just 5 digits meaning that it turned over the 100,000 mile mark or someone may have turned back the gage when installing the electric motor. 
  Is the rust on the body surface rust is has it rusted through? Looks like the headliner might be sagging too?
  Any idea what type of batteries it had used?
  I am in Minneapolis and could call if it is more convenient.
  thanks
  Jon

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