Re: [Amc-list] why "upgrade"?

[Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>]

They are different for sure due to differences in the channel between 
the vent window and the main door window. The glass and the frame it's 
glued into is the same but most of the other parts are different.

Matt

Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Not sure who repops sedan wing seals, I thought they were the same.
> Didn't realize they were different.
> I also realized that the felt is shot on the track for the front edge of the window too.
> I'm not sure I can win this battle...
> It's an old car...
> It's just the noise is a little to much to drive comfortably, makes my ears bleed so to speak.
> I can't listen to the stereo comfortably at anything over above 50mph. Can't hold a conversation either.
> I have to crank the stereo to hear it.
> I don't mind it for short trips or around town, but anything over an hour...
> 
> I need to lessen the din. It might have to wait a while.
> --
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
> " Chronic Pain Hurts"
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
>> Who has repro vent window seals for sedans? I've seen them for hard tops 
>> but not sedans. One other thing to check is the condition of the handle 
>> and the pivot it attaches to. If those are worn, the window may not be 
>> tight against the existing gasket.
>>
>> Also, if you can track a set down, 67 and older used another seal on the 
>> outer edge of the window frame (goes to the roof) that does a lot to cut 
>> down on wind noise. My 68 still has the slits for them. I'd assume 69 
>> does as well but I've never paid enough attention to them to notice.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>> Haven't taped anything yet.
>>> It has repro door seals in it.
>>> It's a sedan.
>>> Noise appears to be coming directly from the vent windo area. I figure since 
>> the door seals are still in good chape it is likely the wing seals.
>>>   I'll have to look at it better next time I get a chance to get it out.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark Price
>>> Morgantown, WV
>>> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
>>> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
>>> " Chronic Pain Hurts"
>>>
>>>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
>>> From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
>>>> Mark,
>>>>
>>>> Have you considered taping up the vent windows (something like the green 
>>>> masking tape) to see if the noise is actually coming from them? How are 
>>>> the roof rail seals (it's a hard top, right?)? Glass aligned well?
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>> Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>> Speaking of wind noise.
>>>>> Does anyone know if putting in the replacement wing window seals
>>>>> someone started repoping makes any difference?
>>>>> Between wind noise and my stereo cranked up so I can hear it I 
>>>>> go about half deaf!
>>>>>   I remember there always being wind noise, anyway the new seals help?
>>>>> I'd consider taking them out if i thought it would make a difference, but
>>>>> man that would kill the nostalgia!
>>>>> Though after a 110 miles today, I'm not feeling very nostalgic!
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark Price
>>>>> Morgantown, WV
>>>>> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
>>>>> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
>>>>> " Chronic Pain Hurts"
>>>>>
>>>>>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
>>>>> From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>> My 63 Classic has been upgraded a good bit -- Jag IRS, AMC/Jeep 4.6L EFI 
>> six, 
>>>>>> AW-4 auto trans (w/manual controller), T-bird rack and pinion steering, 79 
>>>>>> Spirit front disc brakes (plus Jag rear discs), S-10 tilt steering column, 
>>>> power 
>>>>>> bucket seats from a 90 or 91 Eagle Premier (at least it's somewhat AMC!), 
>> and 
>>>>>> 90s Ford Ranger power booster/master cylinder. Even so, it hardly feels 
>> like 
>>>> a 
>>>>>> modern car. You still have the wind noise and occasional vibrations and 
>>>> sounds 
>>>>>> from the 63 body that modern cars just don't have. So even with extensive 
>>>>>> upgrading you still have some of that "old car" feel. I've left the 
>> original 
>>>>>> instrumentation alone simply because the 1-12 speedo is part of the 
>> "Rambler 
>>>>>> look". But I agree with you in principle, old cars should be enjoyed for 
>> what 
>>>>>> they are, not envious of what they aren't! My goal when building was to 
>> build 
>>>> a 
>>>>>> modern Rambler, something similar to what AMC would have been capable of 
>>>>>> producing had they kept the 63-66 body through the mid 80s. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've always felt they should have kept the 69 Rambler (American) sedan and 
>>>> gave 
>>>>>> it a facelift to replace the Rebel instead of a bigger car, but stretch it 
>> to 
>>>>>> the 112" wheelbase of the 63-66 Classic for more leg room. Drop the Ambo, 
>>>> then 
>>>>>> use the Matador as the largest car, especially since the main difference 
>>>> between 
>>>>>> the Matador and Ambo is the extended wheelbase that adds no room! The 
>>>> American 
>>>>>> could have even had a similar extension and replaced the bog body 
>> altogether. 
>>>>>> Similar to what Chrysler did in the 80s -- using the Volare/Aspen body to 
>>>>>> repalce their big cars. Would have kept AMC as the compact leader and saved 
>>>> lots 
>>>>>> of money with just two major car lines (Hprnet/Gremlin then the 
>> American/Ambo 
>>>>>> combo). Could have even left the American name on the smaller one. Then 
>> spend 
>>>>>> money on developing a good four for the Gremlin instead of more car models. 
>> I 
>>>>>> think attempting to compete with the big three was a fatal mistake, and 
>>>> history 
>>>>>> seems to prove me correct. Just one of the thi
>>>>>>  ngs I'd have considered, but then I have 20/20 vision in the matter 
>> working 
>>>> for 
>>>>>> me now! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> INCORRECT TOM!! My car had the M-35 with 3.31 axle. You're forgetting that 
>>>> the 
>>>>>> torque converter has a torque multiplication factor of at least 2.5:1 (more 
>>>>>> likely 3:1). So you need less axle for the same performance. I installed a 
>>>> 3.78 
>>>>>> axle from an OD car behind my auto once. Left it in their about two months 
>>>> then 
>>>>>> switched back. No performance gain whatsoever -- at least nothing 
>> noticeable. 
>>>>>> The only thing it did was increase engine rpm by 500 at cruising speed. A 
>>>> stick 
>>>>>> has to have more gear since there is no torque multiplication helping it 
>> out. 
>>>>>> Now the stock 2.87 gear would probably have been a dog in comparison to the 
>>>>>> 3.31. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:38:31 -0800
>>>>>> From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm all for -- if you are driving and old car, it should drive like an old 
>>>>>> car. OK scary brakes and crappy tires must go, etc, but utterly modernizing 
>>>>>> an old car -- what's the point? Get a modern car!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The secret is I think as I said before, the 3.77 axle and manual trans. 
>>>>>> With an auto and around 3:1 this car would suck for performance. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Frank Swygert
>>>>>> Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
>>>>>> Magazine (AMC)
>>>>>> For all AMC enthusiasts
>>>>>> http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
>>>>>> (free download available!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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