Message: 11 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:51:44 -0700 (PDT) From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [Amc-list] 65 classic headlight rings To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <983641.97598.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ok, so how do i tell if they are anodized aluminum or stainless??? dave stohler http://picasaweb.google.com/das24rules =============================================================== http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/images/bill/FitandTrim.pdf dave: If it is Stainless Steel - it isn't Anodized - download the above .pdf for a Read: here's some Quote: Grassroots Motorsports 113 Is It Chrome, Aluminum or Stainless? When talking about modern-era cars, there are three common bright trim finishes: chrome, anodized aluminum and stainless Older American cars tend to use chrome-plated steel for their shiny trim. This provides perhaps the shiniest silver finish available. The process involves sanding, polishing, and buffing the steel, which is finished with three plating processes: copper, nickel and finally chrome. It is a labor-intensive process involving corrosive chemicals, and can be quite expensive. In the old days, before the EPA, every city had plating houses that would plate anything. Today, the industry is regulated, and most platers only want to hang big parts like bumpers. Most of the ones that will do small parts charge way too much. Few, if any, will quote you a price over the phone. They want to see the work. If you have lots of parts to plate, do-it-yourself kits from companies like Caswell, Inc., present an alternative to sending your parts out to a plating house. The initial investment to get into triple-chrome plate production at home is between $450 and $650, plus polishing and buffing supplies. This is a bit steep for most of us, but if you can get your friends or local car club to go in together on the kit, you can save big time. Many older European imports use aluminum trim which is first polished, then anodized, and finally color buffed. Since the final brightness is a surface buff, this shine will dull over time; repeated polishing or buffing eventually wears out the anodizing, leaving you with plain, dull, oxidized aluminum. This polish-anodizecolor buff process is not very common today. Most modern aluminum trim is just anodized, resulting in a tough, but not very shiny, finish. While it is true that aluminum can be chrome-plated for a very high shine, many plating shops stay away from aluminum. Dale Watson of Colors, Inc., provides advice here. "There is a modern alternative that will give your aluminum a very shiny and long lasting finish," he explains. "We pioneered this finish several years ago just for applications like auto trim. It is called 'bright dip anodizing.'" Fit & Trim How to Make Your Car's Brightwork Look New Again story by pete dubler . photos by camrenne dubler Once the trim pieces have been removed from the car, the old finish needs to be removed. A professional shop can easily handle this job, but the do-it-yourselfer can achieve good results by carefully sanding away the old finish. A drill press can make this job easier. Once the major problem areas have been handled, wet sanding will be next. For optimal results, start with rough, 220-grit paper and work all the way through 2000-grit. In theory, you'll spend the most time with the coarser papers. Grassroots Motorsports 114 When most of us think of anodizing, we tend to think of colored finishes like the red or blue used on Aeroquip-type hose fittings or the black of modern anodized trim. Dale explains that anodizing is first clear, but can be changed to any color. "Anodizing is actually the process of growing aluminum oxide crystals on the surface of unoxidized aluminum." The process begins with a cleaning of the parts to get the aluminum really shiny and chrome-like, Dale explains, followed by a bath in a special bright-dip solution that brings up the shine. "After bright dipping comes the anodize process, which is a bath of sulfuric acid with DC current," he continues. "This bath puts on an oxide coating in varying degrees of thickness based on time in bath and temperature of solution. If dyes are added during this stage, the aluminum will take on color, any color, even patterns of colors, such as camouflage. Or, if no color is required, then the parts are sealed to close the pores of the oxide coating." Dale explains that when his company is dealing with car restoration parts, about 95 percent of them are sealed after anodizing for a bright, chrome-like finish. "Sealing is an absolute must due to the open pores that result after anodizing which will absorb anything that comes in contact with the part, even fingerprints." The finish is tough when complete. Even though it's only about 3/10,000 of an inch thick, the hardness is right up there with a diamond. Anodizers are a dime-a-dozen, but very few will do small batches and even fewer do bright-dip anodizing, which is the process you want for your aluminum. For example, bright-dip anodizing a full set of trim off a Porsche 914 costs about $110 plus shipping. This is a minimum lot charge, so most sports cars' trim sets should cost in the $75 to $125 range. The key is to get as much as possible done at once to lower the cost per part. There are two other alternative treatments for aluminum. First, you could just polish the metal, and keep polishing it periodically with an off-the-shelf aluminum polish like Mothers. This typically results in a higher luster initially, but dulls quickly between polishings. A final alternative is to polish the aluminum, clean it, and then have it clear powder coated. This finish is durable---but not quite as durable as anodizing---and may cost as much as or more than bright anodizing. Since it is slightly shinier, it will not quite match the original finish. Still, clear powder coating is a popular alternative worth considering. The third type of bright trim is stainless steel, popular on older American and British cars since it's both shiny and durable. Its strength makes it a good choice for long, thin pieces like body side moldings. When picturing stainless steel trim, think of the side pieces on a '57 Chevy or early MGB. How to tell stainless steel from chrome? Stainless looks a little less shiny than chrome, and like aluminum, it is non-magnetic. Unlike chrome-plated steel and anodized aluminum, stainless steel receives no separate surface treatment. Stainless is an alloyed metal, which is typically harder and resists rusting and pitting. While it holds up well to daily abuse, removing dents and dings can take a lot of grunt work thanks to the material's strength. Making stainless bright and shiny is just a matter of polishing, though it will never be quite as shiny as chrome-plated steel. Regardless of the final finish---chrome, anodizing, bright dip anodizing, clear powder coating---or the material---steel, stainless steel, or aluminum---the preparation, which any hobbyist can do, is virtually identical. In fact, for stainless trim, the "preparation" is the final finish. Actually, there is a fourth option for automotive brightwork: chrome-plated plastic. More common on newer cars, chromeplated plastic can turn white over time. Restoring this trim is usually not an option, so new pieces must be found. First Do No Harm Twenty years of hitting bugs at highway speeds can really wear on windshield trim. Thousands of ons and offs of a targa top will wear grooves in the rollbar trim. A little battery acid or acid rain might even wear through the anodizing or chrome around the engine compartment. The only solution is to remove the old finish, sand down the base metal, and prep it for a new final finish. The first step is to remove the trim without damaging it. Standard trim removal tools go a long way in this department, but experience goes even further. Don't just start pulling! Research how each piece of trim is attached to the car's body. Most trim is just held on with snap-on clips of one sort or another, but surprises lurk under the most expensive pieces of trim. For The aluminum will get shinier each step of the way. From left to right, we have pieces of aluminum trim after different steps in the process: 2000-grit sandpaper, Emery, Tripoli, White Diamond and rouge. After wet sanding, the aluminum will be polished with our four different compounds---Emery, Tripoli, White Diamond and rouge---each one finer than the next. Periodically rinsing the piece will reveal any problem areas that still need attention. -- =Bt= milnersXcoupe "The Heretic" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amc-list.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20071030/db094881/attachment.htm _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list