Re: [Amc-list] Javelin Clutch/Brake Assembly Interchange?

[Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx]

APD was where I got my 69 American stuff.
I could be wrong on the interchange for AMX/Javelins they may well break there in the middle.
Long story.
I was shopping for stick shift pedals for my American, foudn 68 Jav stuff for $30. Cheap enough as it was complete and the guy was runnign adds in the amc section of whatever adds that linked to AMX-files. I emailed back and forth to him and he said he didn't know about Americans but that he had in fact changed pedals and linkage form differnet year Javelins and AMX's. He said it worked as long as you stay with the same entire setup. Someone else at the time said they had also done this.
I bought the stuff from him and it of course did not work, So I sold it to someone else and as near as I knwo it worked for the buyer. I don't know either who I bought it from, Just that he was in Texas and it wasn't eddie or anyone else familiar. I almost rememebr who I sold it to, I should know, but, well I might of hit my head too hard last year as information that was there is sometimes a little tricky to find. :[
   As far as pedals and their fulcrums. I have never seen more then one size in all the years AMC made them.
All of them fit the same diameter. Pedal length changes, clutch, perhaps even brake linkage changes all over the place. You can get the pedal in the pivot. I've tried a few different ones over the years.
   I've seen them out of the cars and compared them, they fit.

--
Mark Price
Morgantown, WV
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
" I was different before people dared to be different" 

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Mark,
> 
> What you're saying here I find quite curious, Oh, of course, 69 parts from
> an AMX will fit 69 parts from a Javelin, but my experience with actually
> holding the 68/69 pedal parts in my hand and comparing them with 70/71/72/74
> parts showed clearly that the 68/69 are definitely not the same pieces as
> the 70. Remember the 68/69 Javelins and AMXs are some what different that
> the 70 AMX and Javelin. I believe the closer mate for the 70 year cars is
> the later humpster Javelins/AMXs. But perhaps you are correct in saying that
> if you use ALL the parts then you would be OK. Remember in my earlier post,
> I was saying that I never compared the diameters of the fulcrum shafts for
> the pedals, so that could be a problem, if they don't interchange, and you
> are forced to exchange the bracket bolted to the firewall. I guess a guy
> could always drill more holes in the firewall. If I remember correctly the
> 68/69 bracket bolts to the firewall with five fasteners, whereas the 70 and
> later uses four fasteners. I wonder how much all this has to do with the
> design changes for the dashes from year to year.
> 
> While we're at it, I had trouble finding the exact rubber boots for the
> linkage rod that goes through the firewall and the clutch lever arm boot at
> the bellhousing. I used stuff I found from a Jeep that was close but for
> some reason not the same. Any one got a source for these two boots?
> 
> 
> Armand
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Javelin Clutch/Brake Assembly Interchange?
> 
> 
> > I have been told that Javelin, AMX, pedals will interchange amongst the
> years as long as you stay with the same year stuff when swapping. As in 69
> will fit in 70 if  you use all 69 parts.
> >    I have not done this.
> >
> > --
> > Mark Price
> > Morgantown, WV
> > 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> > " I was different before people dared to be different"
> >
> >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Brian,
> > >
> > > The pedal/linkage assemblies are definitely different. Go to American
> Parts
> > > Depot:
> > >
> > >  http://www.americanpartsdepot.com/ClutchIllustrations2.htm
> > >
> > > and view the illustrations from the TSMs.
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe you may be able to make them work but I was unwilling to try
> that
> > > for my swap.
> > >
> > > I once had an assembly from the 68-69 car in my possession. I returned
> it to
> > > the seller because it was supposed to be the 70 to 74 version which it
> was
> > > not. The pedal arms are bent differently and, unfortunately I never
> checked
> > > to determine if the bushings and shafts are the same diameters, but I
> have a
> > > hunch they may be. There may be other differences with the bracket
> mounting
> > > and master cylinder mounting.
> > > I currently have an assembly from a 71 or 72 Javelin in my 70 Javelin.
> All I
> > > had to do was exchange the shafts of the pedals and the bushings in and
> out
> > > of my existing pedal/master cylinder/steering column bracket to exchange
> my
> > > automatic pedal for the manual pedals.
> > > I currently have an assembly from a 74 Javelin (everything under the
> dash
> > > including the pedal/master cylinder/steering column bracket) and the
> push
> > > rod. The pedals and bracket are the same as my 70 Javelin, but I think
> the
> > > rods that stabilize the steering column end of the bracket are
> different.
> > > For some reason AMC did not exactly duplicate all the pieces from 70 to
> 74,
> > > there are differences but I think they still exchange without too much
> > > trouble 70 to 74.
> > >
> > > Armand
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "BRIAN GOODMAN" <goodmab@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:58 PM
> > > Subject: [Amc-list] Javelin Clutch/Brake Assembly Interchange?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am swapping a '71 AMX T-10 into a '69 Javelin SST with an automatic.
> Will
> > > the clutch/brake pedal assembly from the '71 fit into the '69?  If not
> does
> > > anyone have one they want to swap?  Thanks.  Brian G.
> goodmab@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > >
> > >
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