Re: [Amc-list] PRD Radiators

["Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

John,

I don't mind your giggling  at all. After all, I assume you bought one of
these radiators too.
I do however find your statement , "although you weren't there for quality
control we figured since there
 was no way to effectively put a hose on it perhaps we'd put it where you
could" , interesting. And your statement about it pointing directly at the
steering box is ludicrous. Why would anyone attempt that? Enclosed find a
pdf. of what I was talking about earlier. I know the list will scrub this so
I will co-copy both you and Joe, since so far we are the only ones who have
admitted buying the radiator.
The factory radiator has the hose down low facing straight back. That was
70's technology. It must have been too time consuming an operation for PRD
to weld the lower connection on at the bottom of the tank. Cross flow
efficiency has nothing to do with it. The left side tank is tapered at the
bottom. I assume that is the majority of the problem. Maybe the aluminum is
not very ductile, I'm not sure, I don't know what grade it is, but it would
not have been impossible to "fish mouth" (for lack of a better term) the
tube in, instead your team chose to "butt" weld it in higher up where it was
easy to place. Albeit at an angle.
What I would have appreciated more was getting the radiator as a semi
finished product with PRD only handling the processes they are capable of,
like attaching the filler neck, (supplying the overflow nipple), attaching
the mounting brackets (without slots machined in, I could drill my own more
accurately sized slots), and then have them ship it to me with a loose lower
connection tube at least six inches long that I would then have installed,
and an 1/8" aluminum thread-o-let (half coupling)  for the drain petcock.
Same money. If you can arrange that for me I would happily return the one
they sent me and call it even I pay return shipping they pay for the
replacement to come to me, and package it so it doesn't get damaged.

Ball's in your court John, I know you are a quality guy, hell you stuck you
neck out trying to do us a favor by getting us affordable aluminum radiators
in the first place. I very much appreciate that. FYI, Murphy's first law is
not "if it can go wrong it will", Murphy's first law is " No good deed goes
unpunished".

To end this message, I refuse to believe that car guys like the PRD guys
have to be, did not consider my approach to the bottom tube installation.

Armand


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] PRD Radiators


> Because it's the more efficient cross flow style if the outlet was put
> where you indicate it would have pointed directly at the steering box,
> although you weren't there for quality control we figured since there
> was no way to effectively put a hose on it perhaps we'd put it where you
> could. To make up for your trouble, anyone who is irritated by the
> ability to put a lower hose on your radiator I'll happily buy you a beer
> if you introduce yourself at a show or gathering. For an additional $280
> there are alternatives like Griffin that include a petcock for those who
> want the convenience.
>
> Just so you know I'm giggling my ass off writing this, no hard feelings
> Armand.
>
> ~J
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Armand Eshleman
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:31 AM
> To: AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans.
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] PRD Radiators
>
> Joe,
> My radiator has a dent in the lower neck also. Poor packaging on  a $300
> purchase.
> Yes the lower neck on mine is at a crazy angle too. I think the PRD guys
> could have applied themselves a bit more and lowered the neck to the
> bottom of the left side instead of 5 rows up. Too bad I wasn't there for
> quality control. Rofl.
> After I posted my pros and cons message I realized that the radiator has
> no drain petcock !!
> Looks like to drain the thing we will have to pull the lower hose off !!
> That's what we get for
> not asking, who makes a radiator without a drain petcock? Changing
> coolant will be a much messier job.
> Please post any tips you come up with in the hose fitment, I will do the
> same.
> Looks like you and I are the only dummies on the list, LOL.
>
> Armand
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe" <jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC list" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <Jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:11 PM
> Subject: [Amc-list] PRD Radiators
>
>
> > I appreciate the replies to my questions. I guess is
> > shouldn't have asked if "i was the only dummy who
> > bought one"...But thats when i finally got replies?
> > Anyway., I cannot install mine yet...as the 401 is
> > still on my engine stand. I will trial fit it in the
> > Gremlin to check body fitament. Question...did
> > everyone else get one with a curved lower neck? I
> > beleive i'll be custom adapting hoses(like most
> > everything on our cars)...huh? Looked real nice when i
> > opened the box...just really SUPRISED me with the
> > TAIWAN decal. That caught me off guard! The packaging
> > should have been better. Mine came in a banged up box.
> > USPS is WORSE than UPS on misshanding parts/cruching
> > boxes. Luckily i don't think i have any
> > dammage....besides a dent in the lower neck. I CRINGE
> > when someone tells me they are shipping me a part via
> > US Mail. Thanks,Joe
> >
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