Toyota definitely has the right idea -- figure out how to please the customer and profits will come. Even if the cars cost a little more, if the perceived value is there, they will buy. Would you believe that there's an AMC tie-in? The Romney years. That's what old George had in mind -- a good value car. Might not be the snazziest or the cheapest, but when you bought a 58-64 Rambler you knew you had a good car that would be with you for a while. The company took a big down-turn when he left, not just because of who took over, but just because he left. Several large stock holders attempted lawsuits to keep him from leaving because they felt he was going in the right direction and that would change when he left. Everyone kids about "Rambler mentality" and "grandma cars", but those years were AMC's best as far as sales and profits. Plants had to be expanded to keep up with production (though they were expanded more than needed -- the 61 expansion, adding the second assembly line at Kenosha, gave AMC the capacity to build 300,000 cars a year -- running 24 hours). Ironic that when Abernethey expanded in the mid to late 60s (adding a third body plant in Kenosha) it was considered a waste of corporate funds. But the earlier expansions came because they were NEEDED -- not ANTICIPATED. Don't count those chicks before they start hatching!! Harley Davidson can tell you that some pent-up demand, as long as it's not for too long, can be good for business. I didn't connect the A8 Audi with AMC -- maybe I read over John's message to quick? I hope Aston Martin does well. Traditionally, enthusiast owned car companies haven't. Duesenberg is a prime example, Lotus is doing well, but they do a lot of outside contracting and don't build many cars. Morgan is still in business also -- maybe it's just a British thing with small but successful auto companies, maybe the US guys just try to get to big? Avanti was somewhat successful for a while -- at least in staying (barely) alive. But then again they were selling a 1963 designed cars with only minor updates in 1988 as a luxo-cruiser!! AMC was the only other US car company to sell an old body for a long time -- the 70 Hornet designed lasted through the 88 Eagle, but that's nothing compared to the Avanti! IMHO the Taurus was a good enough car that Ford should have kept rolling them out as long as they could keep decent volume up with few changes. Could have been a value car money maker for Ford like the 2xx series Volvo and 3xx series Mercedes were for years. Some other Euro cars have been the same way, but only AMC managed to pull it off with somewhat successful results in the US. _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list