While you Cars & Parts people help Tom J with his gremlins (maybe Jaguar swapped Lucas electrics for AMC exterior mirrors during the early '70s...) and tell John E not to breathe the dust from PCCBs, http://www.porsche.com/pccb/default.asp?market=PCGB I'll hiss that overuse of "SS" is more "grievous" than the '79-'80 AMC: Steve Statham needs to take a ride through AMC history or a quick trip around the Nurburgring. Spirit AMX was no Pinto and no Mustang II. And had it had -development-, it could have been more than a 157-hp 5.0 Mustang GT: Spirit AMX Turbo could have been more of a "right car at the wrong time" http://www.muscularmustangs.com/database/19861.jpg than Mustang SVO (as it's known in Ford history) was: it could have been "the right car at the wrong time by the wrong car company!" And the 96" Spirit AMX with a V-8 --- no matter how wheezy --- was the closest thing to the classic '68-'70 AMX America then had (or for 28 years since, has) ever seen. A SWB, SOL, RWD fastback sporty affordable domestic vehicle? Show me one. That's real. http://tinyurl.com/2mejcj Next I'll ask you AMC History people to tap, rock and roll back in time: help us build an engine that puts out the most power for the least cost. After their use in hot rods, funny cars, and top-fuel dragsters, roller lifters saw use by Motown, but can you roll out any AMC-related history? Firsts? Lasts? Connections? Curiosities? Do you know? Do you care? Well I do; so, in no particular order, here are a few. Fiat, Wasp, Isky, Dick, Buick, and NASCAR Matador. Open that window, like Toyota said to. #1 Fiat Fiat built a race engine with SOHC, parallel valves, and roller tappets: in 1909. It was studied by Marc Birgkit (now known for Hispano-Suizas...) http://www.safran-group.com/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=14&lang=en http://www.museesafran.com/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=43 http://www.stratisc.org/Moteurs_6.htm but the fact that such layout precluded a hemispherical chamber and such heavy valve springs precluded very high engine speeds (thinking of Honda now, eh?), he turned [about 90-degrees] to DOHC --- for both autos and aircraft, http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/collection/engines/Hispano%20Suiza.htm http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/collection/engines/Hispano-Suiza%20E.htm including engines built by a well-known American transportation pioneer. http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/collection/engines/Wright-Hispano%20H-3.htm http://www.aspeterpan.com/book1/Spad%20VII.htm #2 Wasp Development on Chrysler's first "Hemi" had begun in 1939 so its XiV-2220 inverted V-16 was proposed as a replacement for a Pratt & Whitney radial used in Republic's P-47 --- in 1945. That plane was, in part, developed from the P-44, which had used the "Double Wasp" 14-cylinder that had two valves per cylinder plus sodium filled exhaust valves with flat tappets; I suspect (please correct me) that the Chrysler hemi had roller lifters, thus making it doubly modern. #3 Isky In 1958, Ed Iskenderian patented the first self-locking roller tappet so racers could rev faster without a need for special tooling or machining. #4 Dick In the 1940s Isky was a regular at the dry lakes of Muroc, and among his speed cohorts Jack McGrath, Dick Kraft, and Frank Kurtis was his car-nut schoolmate. His name was Dick Teague. #5 Buick The first roller-tappet AMC engine was the one bought from and sold back to GM; Jeep's 225 V-6 that went "home" in 1974 went "fast" twelve years later: "B" VIN versions had flat lifters; "3" VIN versions got rollers. Then Buick GNX got up to speed. #6 Matador On November 24, 1974, Roger Penske and Bobby Allison got caught with roller tappets in their Ontario [CA] Grand National-winning AMC Matador. NASCAR let the win and points ride, but it fined the team $9,100. Laughable now. Penske claimed that he knew about the modification but that "they found it" and Allison claimed that he was nothing more than a driver of the car. (Thinking of Toyota, now, eh?) Since no one creaked, squeaked, or commented, I'll add one more thing: Friday's American Motors Corporation "Smile" car wasn't a Green[peace] http://www.greenpeace.de/typo3temp/GB/134824f487.jpg http://archive.greenpeace.org/climate/smile/ or by your AMC. It was, clearly, forgotten by everyone. Since 1923! And do you remember the Rambler Aria and Shahin built by Pars Khodro? _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list