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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 258 6cyl swap into 63american convertible (Jim Blair)
2. Re: T-150 to T-5 adapter available!! Should be T-96 also!!
(Jim Blair)
3. Re: T-150 to T-5 adapter available!! Should be T-96 also!!
(Sandwich Maker)
4. Re: 'She's My Little Rock 'n Roll'
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
5. Re: 258 6cyl swap into 63american convertible
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
6. Alternative engine applications. (John Elle)
7. Re: 'She's My Little Rock 'n Roll' (Mark Price)
8. Re: 'She's My Little Rock 'n Roll' (Sandwich Maker)
9. Re: 'She's My Little Rock 'n Roll' (Jim Blair)
10. Re: 258 6cyl swap into 63american convertible (Mark Price)
11. SOME NOS ITEMS ON EBAY (Teamamc)
12. Re: Eagle or SX/4 wanted (Jim Blair)
13. Re: Spirit rear end wanted (Jim Blair)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:18:32 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 258 6cyl swap into 63american convertible
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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A: The AMC 2.5 with 1 bbl TBI should fit better by an inch or so.
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 258 6cyl swap into 63american
convertible
To: "Sandwich Maker" <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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The Aussie EFI intake with the runners curved over the valve
cover MIGHT
fit in a 58-63 American without removing the hump, the carb
intake
definitely won't. There's only a couple inches difference
(estimating
from the pics), but that's enough! Take the outer barrel off the
carb
intake and it would fit. The left to right placement of the two
barrel
carbs is what I found that prevented using a modern four
cylinder also.
I didn't find one that placed the barrels front to back and a
bit closer
to the head. Since they all used progressive linkage the side to
side
mount works better. The early 2.3L Ford used progressive
linkage, but I
don't recall if the barrels are side to side or front to back. I
do
recall the intake doesn't stick out as far as later, better
flowing
ones.
The early American engine bay is tighter side to side than the
early
Mustang/Falcon/64-69 American. That engine barely fits in a
Mustang bay.
The header shown on the Ford Six site won't fit either. I'll
haveto
check, but I seem to recall the engine bay as being 23-24"
between the
suspension mounting points. It gets wider above the upper
control arm
mounting points, but the distance between the humps is only a
couple
inches more at the peak of the hump. The humps stick out at
least two
inches from the rest of the inner fender panels. Cut the humps
at just
the right spot and you can weld the inner panel to the outer
without
adding metal (I THINK...), but I'd add a piece anyway for
strength.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:23:02 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] T-150 to T-5 adapter available!! Should be
T-96 also!!
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A: Maybe http://darkhorseperformance.com has them. He had an adapter that
worked to swap a T150 to a T5 in my '66 Fairlane.
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] T-150 to T-5 adapter available!! Should
be
T-96 also!!
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200701191807.l0JI73h22334@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Found this while looking at a Ford Six page because of the
discussion
" about using the 200/250 six in an early American, and Andrew
bringing up
" the Aussie crossflow heads. One of the articles states that a
Ford top
" loader to T-5 adapter from California Pony Cars. A search
turned up a
" vendor that carries them (www.cjponyparts.com). Not cheap at
$365, but
" adapters are available for early bells (64-66 -- should be
T-96??)
afaik all the adapters originated with 'hacksaw al', linked to
at
http://www.fordsix.com/tech/index.php - unfortunately, he's out
of the
biz and the pages are long gone.
i didn't get the adapter info but i did manage to save the
bellhousing
pg before it vanished. his dates are a little different - '60-5
for
the ford '2.77' [t96?] and '67 - mid-'70s for the '3.03' [aka
t150],
with a few others scattered about. maybe that '64-6 is for the
dagenham 4sp used briefly.
they added a second bellhousing pattern in '66, a slight
variation on
the earlier, and there's a '66-7 bell used with a '4-bolt
topcover'
tranny not otherwise identified. he did say this bell is a
little
taller than earlier ones.
i did catch that he sold his adapter line to a vendor, but
neither of
them returned my emails.
" and "later early" bells (65-73, "top loader" pattern, also
T-150).
" These are kits, not just the adapter, that include the
crossmember and
" driveshaft yoke. The T-96 model would use the same u-joint as
the early
" Fords, not sure about the T-150 u-joint.
wouldn't matter - just use the t150 yoke. the output splines
are the
same!
" The CPC link has an e-mail contact, but the site is "under
construction"
since july 3rd! what are they waiting for, carpenters?
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:47:25 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] T-150 to T-5 adapter available!! Should be
T-96 also!!
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200701191947.l0JJlPW23700@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" A: Maybe http://darkhorseperformance.com has them. He had an adapter that
" worked to swap a T150 to a T5 in my '66 Fairlane.
i just looked at the site. they don't say -anything- about what
engines their ford kits are for, or what trannies they replace. my
guess - they -assume- you have a v8.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:54:36 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 'She's My Little Rock 'n Roll'
To: <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hmmm... IIRC the 2WD Jeeps use the same rotors as the 4x4, they come off
the hubs. I don't think the hubs will fit AMC car rotors.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:58:53 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 258 6cyl swap into 63american convertible
To: <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Friday, January 19, 2007 02:18 PM
From: Jim B <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
A: The AMC 2.5 with 1 bbl TBI should fit better by an inch or so.
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I haven't looked at the AMC/Jeep 2.5L in a while, but it won't likely
fit even if it does have another inch of clearance, not without some
work on the left side (intake side... just in case it's not on the left
as I recall...) hump. Maybe a big hammer instead of removal, though I'd
rather make it nicer looking -- maybe a small cut and dish in, or cut it
out and reverse it... hmmm...
The Mitsubishi 2.6L was a little closer than the GM 2.5L IIRC (80s
Mitsu), but it would have still hit the hump. It's just close in there
side to side!
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:32:30 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Alternative engine applications.
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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There are two motors that I have seen used in early Ramblers
that seem to go in as if the factory installed them. For really
early Ramblers the 2000 or 2300 overhead cam I-4 does a
really clean installation. For later Ramblers the 3.8 Buick or
4.3 Cheverolet V6 sure look good in them. All 3 engines have
a wide selection of after market performance parts available
to do almost anything thing one wants to with them.
Another engine that might be used more than it has been
is the Pontiac Iron Duke engine which also has a wide availability
of performance parts and was used by AMC in later Spirit and
Concord applications giving a number of transmissions that it
would mate up to. Probably including other GM I-6 engines too.
Any of the above engines with some work should be a lot
simpler to install than either of the Ford 200 or 250 cu in engines.
Both of which seem to have a very poor reputation for performance
or economy although appear to have been very rugged engines.
John.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:09:49 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 'She's My Little Rock 'n Roll'
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
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IIRC there was a few years of MJ and XJ 2 wheel drives that used the one piece hub/rotor. I can't remember which ones it was off hand early or late?
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- "Swygert wrote:
> Hmmm... IIRC the 2WD Jeeps use the same rotors as the 4x4, they come off
> the hubs. I don't think the hubs will fit AMC car rotors.
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:13:56 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 'She's My Little Rock 'n Roll'
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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" From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" IIRC there was a few years of MJ and XJ 2 wheel drives that used the one piece hub/rotor. I can't remember which ones it was off hand early or late?
" --
early were the 2-piece. iirc eagles also used those rotors.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:23:27 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 'She's My Little Rock 'n Roll'
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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A: There are 2 kinds. The one piece rotors are inner/outer bearing style.
Hmmm... IIRC the 2WD Jeeps use the same rotors as the 4x4, they
come off
the hubs. I don't think the hubs will fit AMC car rotors.
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:25:28 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 258 6cyl swap into 63american convertible
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I think if I were set on swapping into a 63 I would use the AMC Jeep 2.5.
Get the MPI engine and it would be fairly easy for the intake to be modified/shortened/turned or whatever it takes to gain clearance.
I'd look at something resembling sidedrafts or a single "carb" look.
With the MPI you can do a lot of intake modifications. since you don't need to worry as much about loosing the fuel since there is only air in the intake.
--
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---- Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> A: I don't know why I forgot about this! My son's friend is selling my old
> '86 Comanche with 2.5L and 2wd 5 speed (the 4x4 one got crunched) It's a
> high miler (250,000+) but still runs surprisingly well. All the Renix TBI
> system still works fine. He wants $600 for it, but the 4.10 axles are
> probably worth something of that (far less than that mileage on them because
> I installed them at @200,000). (D30 reverse cut front with D35 rear)
>
>
> From: Archimedes <Freedom@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 258 6cyl swap into 63american
> convertible
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: M Walter <redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20070118102024.019d6488@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>
> "M Walter" <redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx> said:
>
> >Here I am again asking advise on yet another idea on a
> >powertrain swap for my beloved little red 'vert. The thought
> of cutting up
> >the engine bay on this car to put in a 290 really makes me
> cringe.
> >Especially after seeing a couple examples on ebay. So my
> thoghts are now
> >leaning toward a 258 or a 232, because it has to be an AMC. I
> have so far
> >kept the car period correct, but not totally origional. The
> car is just to
> >nice to be sporting the 196 ohv. There is no aftermarket for
> it and not
> >much potential. I already have a T14 to hook it up to. Also
> is there any
> >difference in bell pattern up to '85or '86?
>
> Since the later six is a lot longer than the 196, have you
> thought about
> finding a fuel-injected AMC 150 4cyl from a Jeep or Dakota
> instead? It
> would fit in the engine bay.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Straight-4_engine
>
> -- Marc
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:05:40 -0600
From: Teamamc <Teamamc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] SOME NOS ITEMS ON EBAY
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http://search.ebay.ca/_W0QQsassZmrsamcQQhtZ-1
Check under mrsamc if the link does not work.
NOS 63/68 blower motor
Nos gremlin rear hatch glass rubbers
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:18:04 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Eagle or SX/4 wanted
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A: Eagle wagon is good for towing, but I would swap out the rear diff to one
from an XJ. It's no fun to have the hub shear off when you are towing a
5,000lb trailer!
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Eagle or SX/4 wanted
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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WTB Badly: any AMC Eagle SX/4, Wagon, etc. Need to replace my 97
Dodge
Diesel with something that gets ok gas mileage and still be able
to tow my
trailer. I've always wanted one of these and it should fit my
needs
perfectly (and i get to add to my AMC collection at the same
time). Im
located in Niceville, FL (panhandle, FL) would like something
local, but i
can drive up to 400-500 miles if need be. I need something in
good running
shape, body doesnt need to be great however. Just need a
reliable vehicle.
Can pay cash or can trade (partial or full depending on
condition of car)
either a 70/71 383 Chrysler Bigblock motor with 727
tranny(complete) or a
'03 Honda XR650L (street legal dirtbike). Any help would be
apprieciated in
locating one of these in this area, thankyou.
usafcarpenoctum@xxxxxxxxx
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anyone with anything for sale in that region give them a shout
above,
thanks. **Also you might want to look thru my AMCS FOR SALE file
on my
site,a s lots of vehicles for sale in there.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:24:04 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Spirit rear end wanted
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A: I suggest checking the ads for XJs of '87ish vintage and 4.0L 5 speed.
Very common ratio that many wheelers throw on the trash heap. (I had 5 given
to me over the past few years)
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Spirit rear end wanted
To: <baadassGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: corvairmike1959@xxxxxxx
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Wanted: 2.73 or 3.08 Concord or Spirit rear end. Wanting to swap
out the
2.21 in my Spirit. Mike Palermo cell: 708-927-1999 email
corvairmike1959@xxxxxxx
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anyone that can help out please give Mike a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
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