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Today's Topics:
1. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 11, Issue 48 (Keleigh Hardie)
2. Re: scam auction fee free to outbid me (Steven Fox)
3. Re: Ebay Gremlin Item number: 260066423467 (Keleigh Hardie)
4. Fw: Important Message from eBay Loss Prevention Department
(Eddie Stakes)
5. Re: E Stick, now Drivers (Keleigh Hardie)
6. Re: Tust the Midas Touch - if you're a Masochist - (Matt Haas)
7. Re: Was E-Stick, Now Drivers (Ken Ames)
8. Re: Another Re; E Stick, now Drivers (Ken Ames)
9. Re: Ebay Gremlin Item number: 260066423467 (Ken Ames)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:44:51 -0700
From: Keleigh Hardie <keleigh3000@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 11, Issue 48
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"For yeasr now I've wanted to drive on of the new variable trans cars to
see what it felt like! I wonder if it as unusual a feeling as the
E-stick! Nissan uses one in it's high horsepower Maximas, should be a
blast to test drive!"
It takes getting used to, that's for sure. If you floor the throttle
from a stop, the engine quickly runs up to just below red-line, and then
stays there as the car goes faster. When you let off, it quickly drops
off to a very low speed at a cruise.
Keleigh
amc-list-request@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 8:37:47 -0800
> From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Another Re; E Stick, now Drivers
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <24828622.1166719067177.JavaMail.root@web18>
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>
> Someone and I can't remember who, was it White?, made a vairable transmission back in the 1910's that was a large heavy flywheel mounted to an enegine and the way the car was driven was the engine speed was a constant and you moved a lever which moved the drive along the face of the flywheel. Starting close to center for low speed and torque moving out toward the edge as speed increased.
> I remember reading the artice that stated the things had so much torque you could put a front tire against a tree and the car would climb it vertically!
> What I can't remember is the specifics of how it was made and worked nor who made the thing! I know I remember it was never mass produced. I assume it was due to a lack of reliabilty.
> I always thought the concept was so simple that it couldn't possibly work!
> For yeasr now I've wanted to drive on of the new variable trans cars to see what it felt like! I wonder if it as unusual a feeling as the E-stick! Nissan uses one in it's high horsepower Maximas, should be a blast to test drive!
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:13:02 -0800
From: "Steven Fox" <bikerfox@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] scam auction fee free to outbid me
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gottcha, eddie!!
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:36:13 -0700
From: Keleigh Hardie <keleigh3000@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Ebay Gremlin Item number: 260066423467
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I like the "two-tone" paint, the R/F fender is a different color!
Keleigh
PS. On a side note, when did Gremlins get a hand brake? TTBOMR, my 72
had a foot pedal, just like my 84 Eagle.
amc-list-request@xxxxxxx wrote:
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 9:44:52 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Ebay Gremlin Item number: 260066423467
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Has anyone looked at this Gremlin! WOW, someone buy that man some masking tape! It brings a whole new meaning to the phrase, "Let no panel remain untouched" ! There does not appear to be one aligned or properly prepped and cleaned area on this entire car. Don't foegt to check out the snazzy blue seats and the cool racing accents on the quarter panels!
I kept flipping thru the pages of pictures expecting some redeeming quality to come to light, Alas Babylon, None appeared. :[
Ebay Item number: 260066423467
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:43:59 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: Important Message from eBay Loss Prevention
Department
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Aw shucks, the auction got cancelled. Poor puddie tat fall down go boom.
Guess I'll have to go buy that hemi Cuda Buy It Now for $5800 now darn it.
Eddie Stakes'
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:03:07 -0700
From: Keleigh Hardie <keleigh3000@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] E Stick, now Drivers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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"ps. toyota is selling all the xbs they can make, and making all they
can, and the demand is still so high 2yo used are in the $13k-$14k range"
I like the Xa, not quite as much room, but the same drivetrain and
chassis, it weighs about 100 pounds less, costs less, gets better
mileage, probably handles better, definitely looks better (so that's
what the Xb looks like out of the box). I wish they offered all wheel
drive...
Of course the Echo had the same chassis first, weighed about 300 pounds
less than the Xa, and dumpy looking as it was, got better mileage than
either and was cheaper to boot. Not sure they're evolving in the right
direction. A plus to me was that the Echo looked (IMHO) sort of like an
early Rambler.
amc-list-request@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:05:52 -0500 (EST)
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] E Stick, now Drivers
> To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <200612212205.kBLM5qZ24674@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> " From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> "
> "
> " The state-of-tune of engines has obviously changed wildly. People
> " thought nothing of putting a car in far-too-high gear and just
> " let it lug-lug-lug up to speed. My father drove everything
> " from VW Beetle to V8 Chevy van that way. If performance isn't
> " a concern, gas is dirt cheap, and no one sniffs tailpipes,
> " it's a pleasant way to operate a car.
>
> my grandmother drove this way too, even when it produced awful noises
> [body resonance]. she'd make a face and say i don't know what makes
> it do that, and i'd try to explain she wasn't letting the car go
> faster before shifting...
>
> she was -trained- to do it. my theory is that the cars she learned to
> drive on had the off-idle torque to make it possible. and the
> chauffeur she learned from was only concerned with smooth silence, not
> strain or wear and tear or mileage etc.
>
> my mother drove a variant of this, taught by the same chauffeur at
> almost the same time - fine starting out in 1st but then she'd spend
> only enough time in 2nd to engage the clutch before shifting to 3rd.
> she could as well have skipped 2nd completely for all the good it did.
> it took me a long time to break her of that habit...
>
> early rolls royces - the ghosts and phantoms - could be shifted into
> high at a walking pace -- and the '07 ghost was still good for better
> than 60! but as near as i can tell they idled at less than -50- rpm -
> unless the biographer i read got the chauffeur's manual wrong. [it
> says 'before engaging clutch, increase revs to between 50 and 100
> rpm']
>
>
>
> " From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> "
> " On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Sandwich Maker wrote:
> "
> " > the problem is that you have to make them extremely precisely and from
> " > very hard materials to be efficient [because what you have is very
> " > much like a ball bearing] so that you can run very high contact
> " > pressures because slippage is death. monsanto even developed a
> " > special lubricant that turns solid under extreme pressure [santotrac
> " > iirc] but apparently the technology wasn't there yet or we'd all be
> " > driving them.
> "
> " Yeh, that variable-ratio stuff so far works only on low
> " torque apps. Ball-and-disc integrators were used in mechanical
> " computers around WWII, where the forces were tiny, and still
> " slippage required all sorts of compensations.
> "
> " The best "converter" so far is powersource --> generator -->
> " control circuitry --> motor. That's what locomotives do. It's
> " not cheap.
>
> this has historical roots too, though. and we're talking about
> -really-high- hp density - holding steady now at 1000hp in a ~3' cube
> traction motor - and efficiency is really important because waste
> means waste heat, and it's hard enough already to get rid of. 1000hp
> is ~750 kw; if it's 98% efficient that's 15kw -per-motor- the cooling
> system has to dump when operating at full throttle. anything less
> efficient would be worse, and in fact i believe this was a major force
> pushing the industry to ac traction motors - the part that needs the
> most cooling is on the outside in an ac motor.
>
> now add in that steel wheels on steel rails have very low rolling
> friction and a 1% grade is considered steep and most trains don't
> operate in a stop/start environment, and the situational imperatives
> are very different from cars. motors can produce tremendous torque
> for starting, but your cooling system better be able to keep up if you
> expect to do it more than once. either that or your drive-by-wire is
> gonna have to hold the throttle back, and you know how motorists would
> react to that...
>
> i'd still like to see the numbers for a high pressure variable
> displacement pump / variable displacement motor hydrostatic
> transmission.
>
> [just figured out the perfect car for a turbo apu / hydrostatic
> powertrain - a citroen! ds/id or sm]
>
> " I think this really where "hybrid" technology will gain; it's a
> " really efficient way to transform energy. Its just complicated.
> " But complicated technology is what benefits from Fordism, look
> " how much complicated crap is in a desktop computer and all in all
> " they work really cheap for really long times for little money;
> " you just can't fix them.
>
> i saw a total lifecycle cost analysis of lots of cars recently - wish
> i could recall where - and their conclusion is that hybrids suck.
> hybrid total lifecycle cost averaged per mile is higher than most cars
> and even middling [h3] suvs. the loweat cost per mile - way below the
> average - was posted by the scion xb.
>
> [ps. toyota is selling all the xbs they can make, and making all they
> can, and the demand is still so high 2yo used are in the $13k-$14k
> range - so why are they gonna dump the present car and put the name on
> something completely different when it comes up for redesign?]
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 22:06:03 -0500
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Tust the Midas Touch - if you're a Masochist -
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Just like any other chain, there are good ones and bad ones. The one by
me does really good work and there are a couple of guys there really
into cars (one has a 5.0 Mustang he races, another has a 70 Superbird).
It's usually one of those guys working on the old stuff (like my cars).
Matt
Brien Tourville wrote:
> If you do use Midas, don't allow them to
> weld anything together - they use cheap
> off-shore high acid content metal - the
> welds will rot within two years.
>
> Bring any NOS style hangers with you
> unless you like sheet metal screws being
> railed thru your floors.
>
> I had them install on my 1989 Honda
> Civic Si. Two years later the entire
> system was junk.
>
> They wouldn't honor the Lifetime
> coverage on the muffler unless they
> installed another exhaust system -
> again - at the same price as the
> initial install.
>
> Getting 'Midasized' brought a whole
> new meaning to the experience.
>
>
>
> =Bt=
> milnersXcoupe
> "The Heretic"
>
>
>
> <>
>
>
>
> From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] exhaust pipes
>
>
> If you have head pipes, can't you just stick cheap mufflers on it and
> drive over? Also, they should be able to bend the pipes up for you if
>
> the
> truck is pretty much stock. The Midas by me had no problem bending up
> a
> pipe for my 68 American.
>
> Matt
>
> Wayne E LaMothe wrote:
>> Since the only place that makes exhaust pipes is over 30 miles away and
>> the J10 has no pipes on it, I can't get the truck to them. Is there any
>> place that sells old cars exhaust parts? NAPA does not list either the
>> tailpipe or the intermediate pipe. I might have to bring my pieces in
>> to see what they can bend up to match.
>>
>> Any leads?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Wayne
>> 66 Ambo 990 wagon, 327, auto, PS, PDB, PW, 69 Ambo 2 dr, 401 M12
>> 83 Eagle Limited, 82 Eagle SX/4
>> 88 J10, a real truck
>> 2001 XJ, 2000 Cirrus (both hers)
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:29:58 -0700
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Was E-Stick, Now Drivers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1166761798.458b5f4698a6e@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Seems to me there was something knicknamed a 'clutch-flyte' that drag racers
used in the 60s that had a clutch instead of the torque converter. Wonder how
they kept 1st gear applied while the pedal was pressed. Or did they? Maybe there
was a slight delay after pedal release while the front pump pressurized the
system before the car actually moved. Think there was a turbo350\400 version too.
Ken
Quoting Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> " From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> "
> " Almost all manufacturers had some sort of semi-auto trans where you only
> " had to use the clutch to come to a complete stop and to start. Once GM
> " introduced the Hydramatic in the late 30s (I seem to recall 38?) they
>
> that sounds about right.
>
> " had to! GM didn't start selling Hydros to others until 1950. Then Nash
> " was the first to make a deal, trading use of their "Weather Eye"
> " filtration system for rights to buy the Hydro. A year or two later GM
> " was selling Hydros to others as well.
>
> and putting them in unexpected places, like the m135 korean-war army
> trucks, behind the 302-inch six - the other 'jimmy' beloved of early
> hot rodders. how about a deuce-and-a-half with a wayne head and
> fenton headers? but i've always heard the gmcs were crap compared to
> the reo-studebaker-kaiser-amgeneral m35/m44; they actually lost the
> army drive-off but were made anyway because of korea.
>
> not long after that the factory was totally destroyed in a fire, and
> then the race was on... everyone rushed to develop their own auto.
> the iron warner / fmx was probably the last of the 1st-gen, surviving
> until '80 in fords.
> ________________________________________________________________________
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> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:51:31 -0700
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Another Re; E Stick, now Drivers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1166763091.458b64531a1d9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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A recent episode of Old Autos TV had a 1908(?) Sears on it with just such a
transmission but it was only 10-15hp.
Ken
Quoting Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Someone and I can't remember who, was it White?, made a vairable transmission
> back in the 1910's that was a large heavy flywheel mounted to an enegine and
> the way the car was driven was the engine speed was a constant and you moved
> a lever which moved the drive along the face of the flywheel. Starting close
> to center for low speed and torque moving out toward the edge as speed
> increased.
> I remember reading the artice that stated the things had so much torque you
> could put a front tire against a tree and the car would climb it vertically!
> What I can't remember is the specifics of how it was made and worked nor
> who made the thing! I know I remember it was never mass produced. I assume it
> was due to a lack of reliabilty.
> I always thought the concept was so simple that it couldn't possibly
> work!
> For yeasr now I've wanted to drive on of the new variable trans cars to see
> what it felt like! I wonder if it as unusual a feeling as the E-stick! Nissan
> uses one in it's high horsepower Maximas, should be a blast to test drive!
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > The Dodge fluid drive was as described,
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 22:07:01 -0700
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Ebay Gremlin Item number: 260066423467
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Also, the VIN says it's a 232 but the ad says 258. Been replaced?
Ken
Quoting Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>:
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Mark Price wrote:
>
> > Has anyone looked at this Gremlin! WOW, someone buy that man some masking
> tape! It brings a whole new meaning to the phrase, "Let no panel remain
> untouched" ! There does not appear to be one aligned or properly prepped and
> cleaned area on this entire car. Don't foegt to check out the snazzy blue
> seats and the cool racing accents on the quarter panels!
>
> That is so sad! Poor little Gremlin in an ugly dress!
>
> I assume their "90 percent complete" means the blue and brown
> interior is not intentional. Either of those colors alone is
> bad enough, but together?! Vomitous.
>
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