Looking at the following Snip Who wants to see an original "retail price label" for a '61 Wagon? See it here: <http://www.indianachevelles.com/pellwagon.html> http://www.indianachevelles.com/pellwagon.html (scroll to the bottom). Snip Reminds me of some of the automotive infrastructure of the time as the industry as it existed then as it experimented with aluminum engines and parts such as cylinder heads etc. and for the most part proved to be a short term failure. Not so much as the technology or design was bad but the engines were prone to over heating problems after a bit of time and related types of failures including blown head gaskets etc. The retail price label makes a point of adding "anti-freeze" to the option list. Think about that one for a minute. This is something that you would expect to see in your cooling system today. However in 1961 is was quite common to just run straight water if you did not live in an environment that did not include winter freezing weather. In fact in an area of the south that I lived in at that time during the summer months anti-freeze was not available in the auto parts stores at all. At that time I owned a French car with an aluminum cylinder head that I blew the water pump gasket out of racing a Jaguar. Upon getting the car back home and making the repair I was unable to purchase anti-freeze to refill the radiator so reverting to common practice of the area I just used water. Why not? Everyone else did. "sides I had never heard of electrolysis before and I knew when I got back north I could get a gallon of Prestone. However about 6 months later I started having overheating problems as the interaction between the aluminum head and the cast iron block caused the radiator to plug up causing the overheating problems. Of course now it was winter weather time and after boiling out the radiator I was able to purchase a gallon of Anti-Freeze at a Christmas Sale or something of that nature. No wonder aluminum engines or heads got bad press. Of course the other thing to do is to compare the retail price list to what is on car windows now as we read the saga of how much smog equipment is installed as "Standard" equipment, as if I really cared or how it is equipped with things such as steering wheels, seats and tires and other basically essential items we have taken for granted that "must" be present on a car in order to consider buying it. My! How the automotive world has changed, both for what is offered and our expectations of what we get. Some good, some bad and an awful lot just ridiculous. John. _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com