Andrew, remember the comments on the Strokers list about extended tip plugs? The Renix 4.0L used a standard plug and the later HO models used an extended tip. The standard plug seemed to work better. I think both were the same heat range. My thinking is that the extended tip gets physically hotter since it's down in the combustion chamber further than a normal tip and contributes to detonation (pinging). The standard tip is more shielded and therefore doesn't get so hot that it causes pinging. Just my ideas on the subject... I agree, the heat range should be the same (a 12 is a 12...), but that's the heat range the plug is designed to run at under the conditions it was designed for. In Tom's case it would make a difference if the tip is further in the chamber than it was designed to be. For the stroked 4.0L it's just a matter of the more shielded tip working better in the new environment (raised compression, different piston dish or quench height). ------------------------------------ " > the L shouldn't matter. 12 is the heat range, and if it's a 12 it " > should be a 12. " " Well the Champion data that Edelbrock parrots says it's .060" " extended tip; why that doesn't simply translate to a higher " heat range I don't know. if it does translate to a higher heat range why isn't it -marked- with a higher heat range? my argument is that they compensate the design for the extended tip so that a 12 remains a 12. anything else would make a hash of the marking system. " > " So I've mailordered RC9YC's, and will play with timing with " > " these colder plugs when those arrive. " > " > this should be the significant change. _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com