I'm one of those "I drive a truck cuz I haul stuff around and like to offroad" kind of guys. Between hauling spare parts and building materials plus other stuff, my trucks are rarely empty! I looked in the back of my '73 J4000 and currently there is a towbar, several different sized spare tires, an oxy/acet torch cart, several sheets of plywood for a makeshift repair shelter along with a tarp and tent poles, various pieces of scrap metal I'm getting rid of or moving from A to B. Plus an XJ D35 axle. In the back of my '87 Comanche (with canopy) is a large TV set I got free and as soon as I get to S Seattle in time, it'll be hopefully fixed for reasonable. Some chunks of firewood, 2 spare tires to keep the TV in place (and one under the truck) and small getcha back tool box and the TH400 nailhead to AMC 327 adapter ring and starter spacer. Plus all the tools, jumper cables, wind up lights, tow rope and light chain as well as other sundry auto accessories locked in my cab. Oh, and an emergency blanket and sleeping bag in a suitcase. Just in case (I drive hwy 2 in winter time to get to my cabin near Index) I tow with fair frequency (mostly with the J4000 to haul the '82 Spirit last night and my parts rigs I have stashed here and there) but can't tow anymore with my Comanche. (the clutch started to shudder on takeoff a month ago, so I know it's just a matter of time before it lets go. AW4 conversion will be done as soon as I get time to get the rest of the wiring harness and computer from the '87 Cherokee I'm parting out, IF they are plug and play because I want to change the dash wiring too so I can have a factory clock and radio as well as AC next summer) I figure I need a small truck for the lighter stuff and getting in and out of my cabin (20 mpg isn't too bad) and as soon as my '84 J10 is done, I'll be able to sell the modded '73 J4000 or turn it into a flatdeck tow truck (wish I could find an M715 frame with the 12' bed option! I won't be as happy with a GM 2 ton conversion and FSJ cab) Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73 J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck http://www.virtualjeep.com AMC list subscription options link http://www.amxfiles.com/amc-list/options.cfm From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMBASSADORS (now trucks) To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D019DC3C8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As Tom pointed out, I think if you look in cities and over the country in general you'll find 74-80% of light trucks and SUVs rarely, if ever, used to haul anything. I don't mean the occasional trip to pick up a new piece of furniture or something like that, but what they were meant for. In some parts of the country, like VA hills, people are a bit more sensible about using a truck and a car. Some places (like mountainous regions) actually have a good reason for a small to medium sized 4x4 SUV due to weather conditions -- and impracticality of owning two (summer/winter) vehicles. Then there are the people who tow often enough that they need the capacity, then drive the vehicle at other times to avoid the cost of owning two vehicles. With reasonable gas prices ($2.05 a gallon is cheaper than I thought it would be now, I was praying for $2.50!!) that's not an unreasonable idea -- especially if parking is at a premium. Insurance and maintenance on another vehicle, unless it's an older beater, would be more than gas costs. I'm not unreasonable, there are plenty situations that justify a big vehicle, just not nearly as many as are out there. It's simple -- the US makers can't compete with others so make a new category they can still excel in -- for a time. Now the others are hitting them there. So what's next? Better engineering finally? I think it will come, like it finally id in the late 70s/early 80s, but will it be to late? Mahoney is in the best position to comment on that, but I think the answer is "it might be". My cousin stated he didn't know what he was gonna do when the gas prices went up so much over the summer. He "needed" his Expedition to cart his wife and two (small) kids around!! When they traveled the wife and kids take a lot of luggage... THAT MUCH!!!??? I laughed. Told him to go buy something like a Liberty and one of those small streamlined trailers painted to match. Then when he needed the room he'd have it, but wouldn't have to drag it around all the time. I think he was considering it. I was joking around, but it's not a bad idea... _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com