As Tom pointed out, I think if you look in cities and over the country in general you'll find 74-80% of light trucks and SUVs rarely, if ever, used to haul anything. I don't mean the occasional trip to pick up a new piece of furniture or something like that, but what they were meant for. In some parts of the country, like VA hills, people are a bit more sensible about using a truck and a car. Some places (like mountainous regions) actually have a good reason for a small to medium sized 4x4 SUV due to weather conditions -- and impracticality of owning two (summer/winter) vehicles. Then there are the people who tow often enough that they need the capacity, then drive the vehicle at other times to avoid the cost of owning two vehicles. With reasonable gas prices ($2.05 a gallon is cheaper than I thought it would be now, I was praying for $2.50!!) that's not an unreasonable idea -- especially if parking is at a premium. Insurance and maintenance on another vehicle, unless it's an older beater, would be more than gas costs. I'm not unreasonable, there are plenty situations that justify a big vehicle, just not nearly as many as are out there. It's simple -- the US makers can't compete with others so make a new category they can still excel in -- for a time. Now the others are hitting them there. So what's next? Better engineering finally? I think it will come, like it finally id in the late 70s/early 80s, but will it be to late? Mahoney is in the best position to comment on that, but I think the answer is "it might be". My cousin stated he didn't know what he was gonna do when the gas prices went up so much over the summer. He "needed" his Expedition to cart his wife and two (small) kids around!! When they traveled the wife and kids take a lot of luggage... THAT MUCH!!!??? I laughed. Told him to go buy something like a Liberty and one of those small streamlined trailers painted to match. Then when he needed the room he'd have it, but wouldn't have to drag it around all the time. I think he was considering it. I was joking around, but it's not a bad idea... _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com