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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Air Cooled Transmissions (Tom Jennings)
2. Re: Strut rods '70 and up, probably more than you wanted to
know. (Tom Jennings)
3. Re: Diary of a crippled white man update (Tom Jennings)
4. Re: Air Cooled Transmissions (Tom Jennings)
5. Re: Air Cooled Transmissions (Mark Price)
6. Re: 1968 Rebel 550 = Grille! (PSchambs@xxxxxxx)
7. Show (Mahoney, John)
8. Re: AMCer's Opinions: Survivor/Vintage vs. (dan whitehead)
9. Fw: 71 HORNET BRAKE PROBLEM (Eddie Stakes)
10. Power steering (Ray Mick)
11. some amc auctions (Teamamc)
12. AMCer's Opinions: Survivor/Vintage vs. Restored (Brien Tourville)
13. Re: AMCer's Opinions: Survivor/Vintage vs. Restored (amckiwi)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:53:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Air Cooled Transmissions
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, John Elle wrote:
> For what it's worth.
> It seems to me this subject came up here locally a couple of years ago
> and the general consensus was that air cooled transmissions actually had
> pipe plug capped fittings that you could unscrew the pipe plugs from and
> screw in lines that could be run to an external cooler if you wanted to
> go through that work.
> I have been wracking my brains trying to be more specific but senior
> moments seem to clog up the thought process.
o> Is there any truth to this?
I've got one out layin on the ground! (1970 M35.) I'll go look!
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:03:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Strut rods '70 and up, probably more than you
wanted to know.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, John Elle wrote:
> I have taken a serious look at the 70+ lower control arm. It is a really
> cheesy looking design. In stripping parts cars out for donor pieces the
> lower control arms will have some creative and serious damage to them. A
> lot of the damage comes from advanced neglect. However the upper control
> arms seem to get by that o.k.
Strut bushings failing does this. The lower arm is weak as you
say; stamped sheet arm with single bushing, but if the strut
bushing is perfect nearly no force is delivered to that lower,
inner bushing. But when the strut bushing goes bad, the inner
bushing gets LOTS of off-axis torque, eats the bushing, cracks
the arm, etc. VERY BAD!
> My gut feeling is that a significant portion of strut rod bushing
> problems is caused by excessive wear and tear of the lower control arm
> and or well intentioned efforts to re-enforce the pivot point of the
> lower control arm causing the arm it self to bend and probably
> aggravated by the installation of polyurethane bushings.
I agree with your observations, but I think cause and effect are
reversed here (though lack of maintenance is ruinous anywhere,
esp. 40 year old suspensions!).
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:06:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Diary of a crippled white man update
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Mark Price wrote:
> Subject: [AMC-List] Diary of a crippled white man update
Good luck with the surgery! I will try to appreciate my
comfortable routines... :-)
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:21:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Air Cooled Transmissions
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Tom Jennings wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, John Elle wrote:
>
> > It seems to me this subject came up here locally a couple of years ago
> > and the general consensus was that air cooled transmissions actually had
> > pipe plug capped fittings that you could unscrew the pipe plugs from and
> > screw in lines that could be run to an external cooler if you wanted to
> > go through that work.
> > I have been wracking my brains trying to be more specific but senior
> > moments seem to clog up the thought process.
> o> Is there any truth to this?
>
You can see for yourself here:
http://.wps.com/temp/M35-left.jpg
http://.wps.com/temp/M35-right.jpg
Well, there is one boss on the right side I cannot identify,
and it *might* be drillable. Someone less lazy than me will
have to locate this boss in a TSM to see what's behind it.
Even if, there's clearly no return, though I suppose you
could dump into the dipstick tube, though it's adjacent to the
mystery boss.
In 1989,I asked my brain surgeon (aka Bill from B & E
Transmissions, San Francisco) about modding my trans, he said
it migt be possible, but errors would be fatal, and I didn't
have a spare core.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:50:57 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Air Cooled Transmissions
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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The return is not the problem it can be dumped into the pan almost anywhere.
I have a couple of cores that coujld be experimented with easily, alas, I have no urge to do so! Anyone want one or two?
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Tom Jennings wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, John Elle wrote:
> >
> > > It seems to me this subject came up here locally a couple of years ago
> > > and the general consensus was that air cooled transmissions actually had
> > > pipe plug capped fittings that you could unscrew the pipe plugs from and
> > > screw in lines that could be run to an external cooler if you wanted to
> > > go through that work.
> > > I have been wracking my brains trying to be more specific but senior
> > > moments seem to clog up the thought process.
> > o> Is there any truth to this?
> >
> You can see for yourself here:
>
> http://.wps.com/temp/M35-left.jpg
> http://.wps.com/temp/M35-right.jpg
>
> Well, there is one boss on the right side I cannot identify,
> and it *might* be drillable. Someone less lazy than me will
> have to locate this boss in a TSM to see what's behind it.
>
> Even if, there's clearly no return, though I suppose you
> could dump into the dipstick tube, though it's adjacent to the
> mystery boss.
>
> In 1989,I asked my brain surgeon (aka Bill from B & E
> Transmissions, San Francisco) about modding my trans, he said
> it migt be possible, but errors would be fatal, and I didn't
> have a spare core.
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:02:54 EDT
From: PSchambs@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1968 Rebel 550 = Grille!
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Desperation is rapidly setting in - the car will be repainted; engine and
upholstery rebuilt and no front grille!
Somebody please help - NOS? ; A grille in any half way decent condition?
This will be impossible to show without a stock front grille.............Thanks
- hopefully -
Pete Schambs
_pschambs@xxxxxxxx (mailto:pschambs@xxxxxxx)
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:59:50 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Show
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I was in NY earlier this week and owe Frank (plus others?) a correction. A 2006 Wollman Rink show appears to be a no go. A Lincoln Center show? Ho ho ho.
Go loco. Or, rather, go local.
"On August 19, a Mopar Only Show 'n Shine stock and hotrod car and truck show will be held at Barry Dodge on Main Street in Brockport NY." the blurb reads. What? "AMC and all related makes are also welcome!" is the reality.
http://www.cgazette.com/common/news/2005/Aug05news/1124389382410.html
Don't confuse Mora of Newark with DiMora of Rochester in Palm Springs.
http://tinyurl.com/ffmyu
Much more should be said.
Lots of auction action between now and snowfall. Interesting results.
Is a '36 V-12 Packard worth just two '66 Olds Toronados? Is a '66 GTO more valuable than a '58 Turnpike Cruiser --- if both are 2-dr htps?
Is a '32 Pierce-Arrow (once owned by Pitt Petri [store owner, not lab vessel] of Buffalo) no more special than a '50 [post] Ford? Is a Nash Ambassador worth $13,000 or $103,000. Dunno. That's the way it goes.
http://tinyurl.com/lcuz2
>>
...should I remove the engine to detail and paint, or leave in the
engine bay and clean and detail only(leaving the original "patina")?
<<
Preserved cars rule.
As time will prove.
Gotta go.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:46:35 +0000
From: "dan whitehead" <freebird_58@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMCer's Opinions: Survivor/Vintage vs.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY111-F197F60E92D94E7D0F2A85694420@xxxxxxx>
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Unless there's rust issues to deal with, or as stated, you want the trophies
I'd leave it original. Even with all the dings, scrapes, and rust on my
Donohue, when in Daytona in 2000 I was parked next to Ashmeads Donohue. The
gentleman that did the restoration told a guy to look at my car when talking
about originality in the engine compartment. Made me feel pretty good.
It's your car, if you want original, race, pro touring, whatever it's your
decision in the end. But unless there are issues I wouldn't touch it.
Dan Whitehead
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:57:04 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: 71 HORNET BRAKE PROBLEM
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: PHILBERTAMC@xxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <004901c6c33b$2afbf540$0ff4b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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Anyone wishing to help Phil out please feel free to comment and also please copy your reply to him down below,thanks to those who might assist,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
----- Original Message -----
From: PHIL & ROBERTA CLIFTON PHILBERTAMC@xxxxxxxxx
EDDIE,
I SPOKE WITH YOU WED. NIGHT ABOUT MY 71 HORNET. THIS HORNET HAS A 401 IN IT. IT HAS POWER DISC BRAKES. BUT, AS I MENTION TO YOU THE BRAKE DOES NOT OPERATE CORRECTLY. IT HAS A HARD BRAKE PEDAL. I KNOW THERE WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH ROOM TO INSTALL A DUAL DIAFRAM (NOT SURE OF THE SPELLING) BOOSTER. SHOULD I PUT STANDARD DISC BRAKES ON THE HORNET INSTEAD OF POWER DISC BRAKES? WHAT WOULD BE YOUR SUGGEST HAS TO HOW I CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM?
THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE.
PLEASE EMAIL ME AT: PHILBERTAMC@xxxxxxxxx
PHIL
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:01:51 -0500
From: Ray Mick <rmick@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Power steering
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <7C3B7637-2B14-4180-B155-49BAADB053FD@xxxxxxx>
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My power steering box is leaking at the pitman arm shaft. Thinking
about installing one of the quick ratio 12:1 units on my 72 Javelin/
AMX. Has anyone had any experience with one of these units? How much
better is the road fill? Or the variable ratio unit ?
Ray Mick
Somewhere in Kansas
"The older I get the faster I was"
72 Javelin/AMX
72 Javelin R/W/B SST
71 Javelin
See my Javelin @
http://community.webshots.com/album/54361408pRyvWE
My RWB Javelin@ http://members.cox.net/jvlnnut/Site/My%20Space.html
Mid America AMC
www.midamericaamc.com
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 23:37:55 -0600
From: Teamamc <Teamamc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] some amc auctions
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <004b01c6c351$9f0d15c0$6700a8c0@FAST>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
http://search.ebay.ca/_W0QQsassZmrsamcQQhtZ-1
If the link does not work you can search under MRSAMC
Seatbelts
tilt steering
wiring harness
71 hornet rocker chrome
67 rebel electric wiper setup
hornet gremlin kick panels
lots more
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 02:30:09 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMCer's Opinions: Survivor/Vintage vs. Restored
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <44E677B1.25810.36FD4D7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Fellow AMCer's,
I have decision to make with my 74 AMX(32,000 original miles):
This car is an original, non-restored, survivor: Original
paint(great
condition), glass, interior, chrome, stainless, exhaust system. The
motor
and tranny have never been separated and removed.
My decision:
should I
remove the engine to detail and paint, or leave in the engine bay and
clean and detail only(leaving the original "patina")? I cannot
compete
with frame-off, rotisserie restored stock vehicles at car shows. If
they
had a vintage/survivor class I would do well.
I welcome your feedback/opinions!
Thanks,
mark
== = ===
The 'Restored' Camp is inherently fuel'd by
Cubic Dollars with a smidgen of ego* -
[ Egos' with a 'small' E ] :
Fiscally capable folks who are genuinely nice
people - who with time on their hands, undertake
a project as a couple, a widower or single - who
remember cars of their youth & have discovered
the world of restoration, clubs and camaraderie...
and some well monied snobs who stick it to each
other good naturedly - you know who you are.....
I could crave to be of this 'niche' - puttering in a well
lit - well equipped bay, listening to 'Alice in Chains'
while pondering recasting NASH
hood ornaments in Crystal glass for my List friends
X-mass presents...... from the Original FactoryMolds ! ;)
These days it only takes one evening of enjoying the
Barrett - Jackson Auctions and the escalating price of
Cat Food, to bring home the realities
of modern day 'Restored' efforts / costs - serving to reaffirm
the salvage yard blood flowing in my veins -
and my 'Run what you Brung' appreciation of a JC Whitney
'fast' heap of bubbling primer - 'the mythical street killah..'.....
...."whos' gotta 'lite'...smoke ....."?
To digress:
A 'Survivor' or 'Street Survivor' ride runs parallel to
my years of being a musician, as Amps and Guitars
that have seen the ravages of playing, the intimacy of
practising - spilled drinks and smoky treat ciggy
burns along the peg heads of Clubs and Travel,
all have spawned an industry
of manufacturing 'Closet Classics' and D'istressed
Classics' that boggle the mind -
Fender Guitars actually pays people salary to judiciously steel wool
off and expertly bang up, expensive Nitro Cellulose finishes
on CNC recreation '57 Stratocasters - all dimensions captured
from a 'Pristine' surviving specimen - bought with
huge Corporate funds, mostly from Asian collectors
who knew the market early & rolled in tractor trailers
'en mass to the Guitar Conventions and wrote out
blank checks for entire collections on the spot.
These 'Originals' are kept in climate controlled caverns
filled with hundreds and thousands of Old Guitars and Amps,
privately owned - now in Asia somewhere.
The 'New' banged up guitars go for 'in the thousands' more than a
brand new 'a thousand plus' Strat on the wall, both of which pale
in price but not actuality - against the $250K Original 1957
Stratocaster.
One bts MARSHALL filthy amp head I discovered in an overstocked
used equipment shop was missing most all internals and
knobs, yet was a 'Plexi' 100 watt from the early 60s' -
a V'eteran' ! ...'dude, .....it's 'Old Home Week' ..... *Nice* ;)
'Plexi' means the front MARSHALL logo of Plexi-Glas -
putting its' age in a certain 'Romanticised' year range,
like when Hendrix roamed Houston St. nite spots in
the Village of NYC.
The grunge'd Tolex covering was worn out everywhere, exposing
the Birch laminated finger jointed plywood construction -
everything in 'mutha beautiful'tatters :
- it was so beat - that any musician having
gone thru the Clubs immediately 'connected' heart & soul..
..."see? ..still smell like 'Bud' ......"...... .
- any viewing 'wannabee' needed a change of fresh shorts
from the massive 'Boost' of 'the real deal' -
I secretly knew ..... that THIS was the Grail Trophy - the Icon
of Concert Survivorism - and so did the shop > $three grand
for the beat up box.
OK - back to cars:
Outside of Bloomington Gold Corvette Circles
and the Great Barrett - Jackson Vacuum Cleaning
Service Top 10 - some Car Clubs do feature a 'Survivor' and
'Street Survivor' Class and AMC should without question -
I mean , ... come on > an Orphan ? Surviving examples
in good shape - unrestored specimens - should not Exist
as these were from 'the disposable' era of Automotive Excess !
'Survivor' would have that 30something K mileage
Jav next to a 00036.00 mile Jav next to a 21K mile
'56 Packard Powered Nash Coupe - and the Crowd
is way more Appreciative that these examples have
'Made It' > just like they have all these years, without
a 'FaceLift' or 'Tummy-Tuk' - just up and running in your face
Survival.
'Street Survivor' is the duct tape / bale-ing wire
rides along side the early mods bts street racer that
saw 'Q-Ship' service in and among the throngs
of GTX / SS novas - 10pm @ 'Pappys' Puppy Palace'
Friday Nite - the 'Showroom Ghosts' that sat outside the
Car Port - all year long....... for decades.
*[ for those just joining in, bts equates: 'Beat to Shit' ]
Who here,..... would rather find / see an example of a
favourite, in a dry barn where it was 'tucked away' many
decades prior and lost or forgotten...?. . raise your mouse -
Everyone at a Car Show would - including all the Trailer Queen
addicts.
The Survivors speak to the soul - untouched V'irgins' ........
The first .jpg I stop at when surfing Club sites is the 'Barn Fresh'
occupant atop that U-Haul - awaiting the bucket & hose - you With Me
?
I just got in my SMS samples for a '55 Nash Ambo the other day -
we're talking 'oh my gosh' - these 50s people were on Acid !
soooh *Tweaky Nice* - Art Deco Upholstery Fabric... ahh yeahh -
dreams of junker to jewel once again....... life is good........
sometimes..
Big Money Restorations, perhaps simply from the fact that I'm down
here in the 'Mosh Pit of Fiscally Garrotted Brethren', thrills me
back to being a car loving 10 year old, that the 'Original
Materials' of the day having been lovingly sought
and applied - just like the Show-room car once was..... ahh.....
damn...[sigh.....],,ooh...... the 'ambience' of real hair & cotton
bolstering .......ever see Kaisers' 'Dragon-Hide' ?
Stay 'Survivor Status' - these are the tru Concourse Winners -
and should be recognized as such.
All Listers should petition our AMC fractional amalgam conglomerate
for 'Recognition' of Original Examples - unfettered -
open a 'Survivor' Class Awards judging criteria debate,
as this class would prove much more competetive in concept
than is the bolt by bolt - mega buk reconstruction throw down
Platinum Plus Visa sak racing 'Restored' Class warfare trunnion set.
I've found it is tougher to keep that nice 'Survivor' from rusting
and fading than it is to Mag-y-ar the 'Hanger Queen' - ;)
..... any Married Men here have a different Opinion ..... ?
milnersXcoupe
NEW YORK
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:05:28 +1000
From: "amckiwi" <amckiwi@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMCer's Opinions: Survivor/Vintage vs.
Restored
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <002a01c6c366$3ce94980$0200a8c0@tower>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"
Survivor spins my wheels
-----Original Message-----
From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Brien Tourville
Sent: Saturday, 19 August 2006 4:30 PM
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] AMCer's Opinions: Survivor/Vintage vs. Restored
Fellow AMCer's,
I have decision to make with my 74 AMX(32,000 original miles):
This car is an original, non-restored, survivor: Original
paint(great
condition), glass, interior, chrome, stainless, exhaust system. The
motor
and tranny have never been separated and removed.
My decision:
should I
remove the engine to detail and paint, or leave in the engine bay and
clean and detail only(leaving the original "patina")? I cannot
compete
with frame-off, rotisserie restored stock vehicles at car shows. If
they
had a vintage/survivor class I would do well.
I welcome your feedback/opinions!
Thanks,
mark
== = ===
The 'Restored' Camp is inherently fuel'd by
Cubic Dollars with a smidgen of ego* -
[ Egos' with a 'small' E ] :
Fiscally capable folks who are genuinely nice
people - who with time on their hands, undertake
a project as a couple, a widower or single - who
remember cars of their youth & have discovered
the world of restoration, clubs and camaraderie...
and some well monied snobs who stick it to each
other good naturedly - you know who you are.....
I could crave to be of this 'niche' - puttering in a well
lit - well equipped bay, listening to 'Alice in Chains'
while pondering recasting NASH
hood ornaments in Crystal glass for my List friends
X-mass presents...... from the Original FactoryMolds ! ;)
These days it only takes one evening of enjoying the
Barrett - Jackson Auctions and the escalating price of
Cat Food, to bring home the realities
of modern day 'Restored' efforts / costs - serving to reaffirm
the salvage yard blood flowing in my veins -
and my 'Run what you Brung' appreciation of a JC Whitney
'fast' heap of bubbling primer - 'the mythical street killah..'.....
...."whos' gotta 'lite'...smoke ....."?
To digress:
A 'Survivor' or 'Street Survivor' ride runs parallel to
my years of being a musician, as Amps and Guitars
that have seen the ravages of playing, the intimacy of
practising - spilled drinks and smoky treat ciggy
burns along the peg heads of Clubs and Travel,
all have spawned an industry
of manufacturing 'Closet Classics' and D'istressed
Classics' that boggle the mind -
Fender Guitars actually pays people salary to judiciously steel wool
off and expertly bang up, expensive Nitro Cellulose finishes
on CNC recreation '57 Stratocasters - all dimensions captured
from a 'Pristine' surviving specimen - bought with
huge Corporate funds, mostly from Asian collectors
who knew the market early & rolled in tractor trailers
'en mass to the Guitar Conventions and wrote out
blank checks for entire collections on the spot.
These 'Originals' are kept in climate controlled caverns
filled with hundreds and thousands of Old Guitars and Amps,
privately owned - now in Asia somewhere.
The 'New' banged up guitars go for 'in the thousands' more than a
brand new 'a thousand plus' Strat on the wall, both of which pale
in price but not actuality - against the $250K Original 1957
Stratocaster.
One bts MARSHALL filthy amp head I discovered in an overstocked
used equipment shop was missing most all internals and
knobs, yet was a 'Plexi' 100 watt from the early 60s' -
a V'eteran' ! ...'dude, .....it's 'Old Home Week' ..... *Nice* ;)
'Plexi' means the front MARSHALL logo of Plexi-Glas -
putting its' age in a certain 'Romanticised' year range,
like when Hendrix roamed Houston St. nite spots in
the Village of NYC.
The grunge'd Tolex covering was worn out everywhere, exposing
the Birch laminated finger jointed plywood construction -
everything in 'mutha beautiful'tatters :
- it was so beat - that any musician having
gone thru the Clubs immediately 'connected' heart & soul..
..."see? ..still smell like 'Bud' ......"...... .
- any viewing 'wannabee' needed a change of fresh shorts
from the massive 'Boost' of 'the real deal' -
I secretly knew ..... that THIS was the Grail Trophy - the Icon
of Concert Survivorism - and so did the shop > $three grand
for the beat up box.
OK - back to cars:
Outside of Bloomington Gold Corvette Circles
and the Great Barrett - Jackson Vacuum Cleaning
Service Top 10 - some Car Clubs do feature a 'Survivor' and
'Street Survivor' Class and AMC should without question -
I mean , ... come on > an Orphan ? Surviving examples
in good shape - unrestored specimens - should not Exist
as these were from 'the disposable' era of Automotive Excess !
'Survivor' would have that 30something K mileage
Jav next to a 00036.00 mile Jav next to a 21K mile
'56 Packard Powered Nash Coupe - and the Crowd
is way more Appreciative that these examples have
'Made It' > just like they have all these years, without
a 'FaceLift' or 'Tummy-Tuk' - just up and running in your face
Survival.
'Street Survivor' is the duct tape / bale-ing wire
rides along side the early mods bts street racer that
saw 'Q-Ship' service in and among the throngs
of GTX / SS novas - 10pm @ 'Pappys' Puppy Palace'
Friday Nite - the 'Showroom Ghosts' that sat outside the
Car Port - all year long....... for decades.
*[ for those just joining in, bts equates: 'Beat to Shit' ]
Who here,..... would rather find / see an example of a
favourite, in a dry barn where it was 'tucked away' many
decades prior and lost or forgotten...?. . raise your mouse -
Everyone at a Car Show would - including all the Trailer Queen
addicts.
The Survivors speak to the soul - untouched V'irgins' ........
The first .jpg I stop at when surfing Club sites is the 'Barn Fresh'
occupant atop that U-Haul - awaiting the bucket & hose - you With Me
?
I just got in my SMS samples for a '55 Nash Ambo the other day -
we're talking 'oh my gosh' - these 50s people were on Acid !
soooh *Tweaky Nice* - Art Deco Upholstery Fabric... ahh yeahh -
dreams of junker to jewel once again....... life is good........
sometimes..
Big Money Restorations, perhaps simply from the fact that I'm down
here in the 'Mosh Pit of Fiscally Garrotted Brethren', thrills me
back to being a car loving 10 year old, that the 'Original
Materials' of the day having been lovingly sought
and applied - just like the Show-room car once was..... ahh.....
damn...[sigh.....],,ooh...... the 'ambience' of real hair & cotton
bolstering .......ever see Kaisers' 'Dragon-Hide' ?
Stay 'Survivor Status' - these are the tru Concourse Winners -
and should be recognized as such.
All Listers should petition our AMC fractional amalgam conglomerate
for 'Recognition' of Original Examples - unfettered -
open a 'Survivor' Class Awards judging criteria debate,
as this class would prove much more competetive in concept
than is the bolt by bolt - mega buk reconstruction throw down
Platinum Plus Visa sak racing 'Restored' Class warfare trunnion set.
I've found it is tougher to keep that nice 'Survivor' from rusting
and fading than it is to Mag-y-ar the 'Hanger Queen' - ;)
..... any Married Men here have a different Opinion ..... ?
milnersXcoupe
NEW YORK
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