Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 6, Issue 59

["Garry Nordstrom" <gasnordstrom@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

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>   1. Overheating in new 40--Installing Aluminum Radiator w/ AN-20
>      hoses (hal.lynch@xxxxxxx)
>   2. Spirit-ed Progress (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
>   3. drag link (Garry Nordstrom)
>   4. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 6, Issue 58 (Michael Bailey)
>   5. Re: Rambler American grilles (Michael Bailey)
>   6. Hornet update & Halogen Headlights (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
>   7. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 6, Issue 58 (Scott G. Goss)
>   8. Eddie Stakes house and AMCs, now Jerry's House and AMCs
>      (Jerry Casper)
>   9. Re: Hornet update & Halogen Headlights (Jay)
>  10. Houston flooding (Eddie Stakes)
>  11. Re: my & jerry's house, ect (Eddie Stakes)
>  12. Idiot light on when charging (Teamamc)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:03:47 +0000
> From: hal.lynch@xxxxxxx
> Subject: [AMC-List] Overheating in new 40--Installing Aluminum
> Radiator w/ AN-20 hoses
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> An update to my overheating 401.  I finally was able to determine that my 
> custom 8 core (old technology copper core) radiator was not cooling, even 
> though two shops said it was flowing.  Turns out that a infrared heat 
> detection gun ws the answer.  I used it with a friend as the car warmed up 
> and could see that only the top six inches of the cross flow radiator was 
> working, the rest was dead cold.
>
> I determined that I needed an aluminum radiator upgrade to keeps my cars 
> road racing modifications consistent and here is how it has worked out so 
> far.  I decided to buy a Griffin custom aluminum racing radiator 27.5 wide 
> and 15.5 tall.  This is a two core aluminum radiator with 1.25 inch 
> diameter tubes.  This is an off the shelf standard racing radiator size 
> and sells for $300.  I ask Griffin to replace the inlet and outlets with 
> an-20 fittings and it cost and extra $20, so new aluminum radiator for 
> $320.  I did have to have brackets welded to it to fit into the radiator 
> support brakets and for this size my support brakets in the car had to be 
> trimed back a bit.  This radiator is cross flow and long and short as 
> opposed to the factory AMX radiators that tend to be tall and narrow.
>
> I've had a custom radiator outlet made, again with an-20 fitting and 
> NASCAR style bleeder valve and have had my aluminum water pump also 
> modified for -20 lines.
>
> The AN lines will be expensive but the whole project will provide me an 
> endurance quality road racing cooling system for about the cost of some 
> custom radiators alone.
>
> An additional benefit of this setup is that my old large copper unit 
> weighed in at over 40lbs, the new Griffin only 25lbs.
>
> I'll post the results once I get the lines made up and start her up again.
>
> Hal
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:41:52 +0000
> From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
> Subject: [AMC-List] Spirit-ed Progress
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> Hey all,
>
> I trailered home an 83 Spirit GT a few weeks ago, I guess the Hawgshed 
> couldn't stay empty for too long.  The odometer is showing 68 thousand and 
> change.  She's been tucked away in the PO's garage since he bought it in 
> 02.  He had plans, but motivation isn't his strong suit and to his credit 
> he figured that out and sold the car.
>
> I guess it's a typical GT, 258 2V, 4 speed, twingrip, PS, manual brakes, 
> turbine wheels w/AMC centers intact.  Frost white with black interior, no 
> radio and a butchered radio bezel.
>
> Three of the four tires were suffering from side wall splits.  I never 
> remember seeing this kind of failure and now it seems to be the failure of 
> choice.  Poor material is my thought on the subject.  I worked at the 
> Kelly Springfield Tire Plant for a few years back in what seems like 
> another life now and I can't imagine workmanship entering into this type 
> of failure.  Our tires today have a defined life span, not only in wear, 
> but in time.  I just learned this the hard way on my wife's Mountaineer. 
> The tires are five years old now and this spring one decided to have a 
> side wall fail.  Hey, no problem the spare has never been on the ground. 
> That spare lasted 2000 miles and failed in an identical side wall split. 
> Goodyear's comment was, "Its out of warrantee, can we sell you a new 
> tire?"  I guess this is a word of warning, tires have a shelf life, use 
> 'em or loose 'em.  Anyway, one of my other projects came with a good pair 
> of 215/70R14 so they went on the back.  There was !
> one new
> tire, brand new, on the left rear.  I purchased a match to that one, 
> 205/70R14, mounted it on the remaining wheel and voila she's on the ground 
> again and rolling.  Sorry I haven't sent you any pictures Doc, but the 
> resto on the wheels was delayed.  I will send them when I get started.
>
> I may be repeating my self, but the driver's outside door handle was 
> broken.  The 71 Hornet parts car donated one of its two LH handles and 
> that's working nicely now.  I need to order a pin and bushings for the 
> lower hinge on that door, it drops about an inch as you swing it open.  At 
> least it will open from the outside now, that's a step in the right 
> direction.  These door handles cross 18 years of use with finish being the 
> only difference I can see.  An interesting point, the door proudly 
> displays a Ziebart sticker, but the drivers front fender has rust issues.
>
> I had to disassemble the glove box to get it open, it was locked and the 
> PO didn't get the round key when he bought the car so he couldn't pass it 
> on.  Inside was the usual stuff, owner's manual, insurance papers and 
> service records/receipts.  The service records shows that the engine and 
> brakes have had a checkered past with many drivability issues.  Those will 
> get sorted out as the project progresses.
>
> Last night I dropped in a battery, just for grins and giggles.  Opened the 
> driver's door, gee that's a nice handle, and the interior lights came on, 
> that's promising.  The engine oil was on the full mark so let's see if I 
> can get oil pressure with the starter.  It took about 30 seconds of 
> cranking, but the oil light went off.  Okay, Houston, we have oil 
> pressure.  A little slosh of gas in the carb, she started and ran for the 
> duration of the fuel.  Amp gage went to +30 so the charging system is 
> intact and functional.
>
> She sounds a little rude with no exhaust system.  The PO gave me a new 
> front pipe, muffler and tail pipe.  He said in passing, "You'll have to 
> have that small pipe made I guess.  They didn't show one available."  I 
> checked it out, he was probably referring to the catalytic converter.
>
> Under the hood is a mass of vacuum lines some going places others just 
> laying there open.  Hopefully the diagram in the engine compartment covers 
> this well enough to get things back where they belong.
>
> On another subject, still no response on my Carter YF high idle question.
>
> Jack
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:45:42 -0500
> From: "Garry Nordstrom" <gasnordstrom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] drag link
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> I would like to thank the list for offers on used center drag link, but as 
> I
> am putting the built 343 into the 79 AMX, I would prefer a new one, anyone
> know where I can get one.  The 343 is pounding out a dyno tested 385 HP 
> with
> the potential of much more if I fine tune.  I want to make one run this 
> year
> hoping to hit the 12"s with it.  Interesting in Duluth big car show, 3
> blocks long, and just one AMC.  I also need a 79 concord donor for my
> concord electric car, no rust 491 actual miles on it, but need windsheild,
> and trim parts as making into show car.
> Always enjoy the knowledge of the group.
>
> Garry
> 83 scrambler
> 71 401 AMX
> 79 AMX
> & wanting a 68 Rebel for my 343
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:02:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 6, Issue 58
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>> From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rambler American grilles
>>
>> Grilles are different for each year of this final
>> body style.
>>
>> 1966 are bright dipped on the face with two vertical
>> lines that break the
>> grille into thirds.
>> 1967 are bright dipped on the face with no vertical
>> lines.
>> 1968 are mostly black with a bright dipped band just
>> above the middle with
>> a RAMBLER badge in them
>> 1969 are the same except no RAMBLER badge
>> SC/Rambler grille appears to be the same as the 1969
>> grille except it's all
>> black.
>>
>> 1967-69 grilles can all be interchanged without
>> problem so the grille isn't
>> the best way to tell these cars from year to year.
>> 1966 also used different
>> headlight doors and fenders so I'm not sure how well
>> that year grille fits
>> on a later car.
>>
>> The black is satin black. You can see some good
>> pictures of a perfect 1968
>> grille at
>>
> http://www.mattsoldcars.com/gallery/EdmundAnderson2004/low_mile_american/index.shtml.
>>
>> You can see a so-so SC/Rambler grille at
>> http://www.mattsoldcars.com/gallery/teague97.shtml
>> (near the bottom). These
>> pictures are not all that good but you can clearly
>> see that it's not like
>> the 1967 grille.
>>
>> Matt
>>
> ------> Thanks, Matt, that is very helpful.
> mike
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:02:38 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rambler American grilles
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>> From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rambler American grilles
>>
>> Grilles are different for each year of this final
>> body style.
>>
>> 1966 are bright dipped on the face with two vertical
>> lines that break the
>> grille into thirds.
>> 1967 are bright dipped on the face with no vertical
>> lines.
>> 1968 are mostly black with a bright dipped band just
>> above the middle with
>> a RAMBLER badge in them
>> 1969 are the same except no RAMBLER badge
>> SC/Rambler grille appears to be the same as the 1969
>> grille except it's all
>> black.
>>
>> 1967-69 grilles can all be interchanged without
>> problem so the grille isn't
>> the best way to tell these cars from year to year.
>> 1966 also used different
>> headlight doors and fenders so I'm not sure how well
>> that year grille fits
>> on a later car.
>>
>> The black is satin black. You can see some good
>> pictures of a perfect 1968
>> grille at
>>
> http://www.mattsoldcars.com/gallery/EdmundAnderson2004/low_mile_american/index.shtml.
>>
>> You can see a so-so SC/Rambler grille at
>> http://www.mattsoldcars.com/gallery/teague97.shtml
>> (near the bottom). These
>> pictures are not all that good but you can clearly
>> see that it's not like
>> the 1967 grille.
>>
>> Matt
>>
> ------> Thanks, Matt, that is very helpful.
> mike
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:49:19 +0000
> From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
> Subject: [AMC-List] Hornet update & Halogen Headlights
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> I'm reminded that my 70 Hornet lived in Milwaukee for 35 years before 
> finding its place in my garage.  After 11 years of storage and now back on 
> the road the car is making some familiar noises.  Not necessarily good 
> noises either.  I'm hearing what I think is pinion bearing noise.  Not too 
> surprising since over the course of 11 year there could have been some 
> oxidation of the upper half of the bearings and now they're complaining.
>
> Next is the gas tank.  I was under the back end adjusting the brakes while 
> on my lunch break and noticed that the gas tank is sweating in a spot 
> about 4" in diameter.  Not enough to drip, just enough to "sweat" a dark 
> spot.  Now as standard equipment I carry a gallon of gas in the trunk 
> waiting to run the tank dry.  I need to take a look at the fuel gage 
> sending unit anyway so I'll take the tank down and hopefully do the repair 
> right.  It has been recommended that I use a tank sealer.  Anyone have any 
> thoughts on this?
>
> As for the gage, it shows full until you get down to about 4 gallons and 
> then the gage comes down like "normal" with four gallons being full, three 
> being about three quarters and so on.  Any thoughts on this one?
>
> Does anyone remember how to trim the antenna on these AM radios?  As I 
> remember you tune to a weak station around 1600 and adjust the trim for 
> the best reception.
>
> Headlights, I was working at the hometown Ford dealer when halogen 
> headlights started showing up in new cars.  Now, I have read a lot of 
> chatter here about this subject, but it seems to me that you all have it 
> backwards.  As I recall, and by the way that doesn't mean a darn thing, 
> the halogen lights were much more expensive to replace, but like radial 
> tires once you had them you didn't want to do without them.  BUT, being 
> from a farm town populated by retired farmers that weren't too excited 
> about the replacement price the worry was as follows:  Farmer Brown buys a 
> new car with halogen head lights.  His wife backs the old car into the new 
> car and breaks one of the head lights.  Ole Mr. Brown goes to Farm & 
> Fleet, asks for a head light and they give him a halogen replacement.  He 
> gets to the checkout and sees the price is three times what a regular 
> sealed beam costs and decides to buy a standard sealed beam bulb.  He goes 
> home thinking everything is right with the world.  He !
> install
> s the new sealed beam himself because remember he's cheap and the first 
> time he drives the car at night the wiring harness on that side turns into 
> a melted mass.  Now that's the really long way to say that halogen lights 
> give more light for less.  Sealed beam lighting circuits are of heavier 
> gage wire so you can put halogen lights in older cars, but not old cheap 
> sealed beams in newer cars.  That is how I remember it, I could be wrong. 
> By the way the ole home town is Forreston or For Rest Town, it's a sleepy 
> little burg.
>
> Jack
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:38:30 -0400
> From: "Scott G. Goss" <Scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 6, Issue 58
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> I'm in the market for a javelin and a gremlin. Not picky about years,
> except the gremlin has to be at least a 258. I'm really looking for
> drivers that I can have fun with while I'm restoring them. Send me an
> email at scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx if you have or know of anything for sale.
> I'm located in Atlanta, but willing to drive to pick up.
>
> Thanks, Scott
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:38:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jerry Casper <gremlingts@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Eddie Stakes house and AMCs, now Jerry's House and
> AMCs
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> Hey, nice shot, Eddie! Now I know where you live ( if
> I was a bird ).
>
> Here's a link to the Google map where my house is
> located in Virginia, so I'll give ya the guided tour
> of WOodbridge, VA AMCs :
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=woodbridge+VA&ie=UTF8&ll=38.66102,-77.255143&spn=0.000978,0.002682&t=k&om=0
>
> Looking at the aerial, the streets are angled. Come
> down the street on the right, from the top
> intersection, 3rd house, 2nd from the corner house, on
> the left side, white roof, is my house and garage. The
> orangish spot you see between them is my '78 Gremlin
> GT. Out front, you can see a black vehicle, that's my
> Toyota, the shadow to the upper left of it, near the
> house corner, is my '79 Pacer. You can't see the other
> AMCs due to the tree shadows on the driveway, but
> there's about 4 more there. Luckily the COunty can't
> see-em either. LOL. Well, one agent DID see them, but
> I've gotten no more letters from them, so I guess
> they're satisfied at the moment.
> Anyway, that's my northern VA AMC enclave. See ya,
>
> JErry
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:15:58 -0400
> From: "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Hornet update & Halogen Headlights
> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Jack ,you are right on about the tuning of the radio to the antenna.
>
> Jay
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:49:02 -0500
> From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Houston flooding
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> Eh, seemed like we just went thru this a month ago. Unfortunately, where i
> am at just west of Sam Houston Tollway and north of I-10 on the west side
> had a "bullseye" and got hammered today with about 7 inches of rain. The
> photo 865 shows my Eagles on a nice quiet, summer day, and photo 729 shows
> the water coming up quickly. Only got about water up to front tires on the
> Rebel and SC/360 in the garage whihc surprised me. But not a whole lot of
> places anywhere can withstand 2 inches a hour.
>
> Part of the problem is I-10 under construction which is basically a dam
> south of me, and until finished, I guess problems like this with excessive
> rainfall. Spent the better part of the day raking stuff from the ditch
> holes! You know it is a flooding rain when you find dead snakes and dead
> crawdads. Takes a lot of water to kill crawdads. But water is receding 
> now,
> the kids had fun it in, and chances are ya'll will probably see scenes 
> like
> this on news later, quite a mess across almost whole city. And possibly 
> more
> to come,
> http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=weather&id=3266381
> welcome to Houston.
> Eddie Stakes'
> Planet Houston AMX
> 713.464.8825
> eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.planethoustonamx.com
> (photos deleted for amxfiles.com)
>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:46:51 -0500
> From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my & jerry's house, ect
> To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Groan, I'm not sure this link will come thru, if it does,
>
> http://www.findlocalweather.com/forecast.php?config=&forecast=pass&pass=local_radar&dpp=1&radar_icao=KHGX&hwvradartype=stormtotal&place=houston&state=tx&zipcode=&country=us&county=48201&zone=txz213
>
> It shows Doppler estimates or rainfall. It is STILL full ditches, and 
> slowly
> draining off. Biggest problem is I-10 under construction is like a big dam
> right now. I drove around tonight and there is a huge ditch that used to 
> be
> where the Igloo factory was at corner of I-10 and Beltway 8 and it is at
> least 2 football fields wide and 20+ feet deep right now, a big Lake Ten I
> guess. If you have a media player here are some stories, inclduing the
> interchange mentioned above:
> http://www.click2weather.com/weather/9576571/detail.html?rss=hou&psp=news
>
> that google image looked better on a sunny day that the crap we had today!
> I posted some pics on the badassgremlin site. Those AMC Eagles are built
> really tough I may add, barrel right thru high water and even can pull 
> high
> dollar brand X SUVs out of ditches and push them to safety......
>
> Eddie Stakes'
> Planet Houston AMX
> 713.464.8825
> eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.planethoustonamx.com
>
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:39:02 -0600
> From: Teamamc <Teamamc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Idiot light on when charging
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>      1981 Eagle SX/4. 258 4spd. and 1979 Concord 258 Auto.
>      Both cars are using GM style alternators.
>
>      The 1979 Concord. Turn the key to the on position the idiot light 
> (IL) is off.
>      Start the car and the IL is off. Alternator is not charging. (Pulled 
> the posivtive cable off and the car dies.)  I rev the engine to about 
> 1500rpm the IL comes on
>      and the system is charging. As long as the IL is lit the system 
> Charges.
>      The orange and red small wires are hooked up to the alternator.
>
>      The Eagle SX/4 is essentialy the same except I have to Rev the Engine 
> around 2500 RPM to bring the IL on.
>
>      The concord was sitting for a while and then the symtons happened 
> upon start up.
>      The SX/4  was  Sitting for about a year. When first started about 3 
> weeks ago
>      The charging worked fine. Last week  The IL problem surfaced.
>      There is some corrosion present in the Fuse block.
>
>
>      Any suggestions.
>
>      Bryan
>
>      Back to top
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