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Re: Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend... (Frank Swygert) 13. Re: Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend... (Jim Blair) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:13:03 -0500 From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] 68 Ambassador 2door wanted To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: mark h <mdh157@xxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <032001c6a79d$1b12d180$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original WANTED: 1968 AMBASSADOR SST 2 DR HARDTOP WITH ORIGINAL 343-4V MOTOR. COLOR AND OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT NOT IMPORTANT. CAR MUST BE IN RUNNING CONDITION, A #3 OR #2 CAR IS DESIRED. WILL REPLY TO ALL RESPONSES...WILL TRAVEL FOR THE RIGHT CAR. EMAIL MARK AT mdh157@xxxxxxxxxxx ==================================== anyone with any leads on 68 Ambassadors 2doors for sale give them a shout above thanks Eddie Stakes' Planet Houston AMX 713.464.8825 eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.planethoustonamx.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:12:10 -0500 From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] rebuilt 4V carbs for sale To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: info@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <031f01c6a79d$1ac68640$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Carbutator 4V Factory Fresh built Factory 360-401 Carburator, can be fit on Any V8 AMC Car This is a square ventury model,, We have a spread-bore available in stock Price including freight 95.$ Am Racing info@xxxxxxxxxxxx 514 990 2691 ================================================= anyone interested in the carbs above give them a shout, thanks Eddie Stakes' Planet Houston AMX 713.464.8825 eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.planethoustonamx.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:15:44 -0500 From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] 61 Metropolitian parts wanted To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: rhubert2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <032301c6a79d$1c015030$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Just bought 1961 Nash Metro. Need driver side front fender, rocker panels and various other chrome parts/accessories. Ron D. Hubert rhubert2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 281-852-3989 281-852-1883 =============================== anyone that can point them in the right direction for Metro items give them a shuot above thanks Eddie Stakes' Planet Houston AMX 713.464.8825 eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.planethoustonamx.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:17:12 -0500 From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] 70 AMXs for sale To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: Ron <rlovell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <032401c6a79d$1c54c760$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have two 1970 AMXs for sale (one very nice one and one so-so) and a few rare parts. Unfortunately, my wife has undergone two neurosurgery operations that spelled the end of my car funds. I've had these cars for quite some time and am only selling them for that reason. I have tried to give good honest descriptions and a few pictures are posted at http://home.grandecom.net/~rlovell/AMX/ . I will be adding a few more and I can also email specific requests If you are interested, please email me at rlovell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or ronald.lovell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx . I don't have set prices on these, instead, I am looking for a reasonable ""best offer""! Ron Car #1: 1970 AMX with 360 automatic, Ram Air, GoPaK, Twin Grip positraction rear end, AMC Ralley Wheels, A/C, P/S, Power Disk Brakes, Tilt Wheel, Rim Blow horn, Electric Wipers. Rare color combination - White exterior with red interior. According to production records at AMXfiles.com, it is 1 of 141 so optioned. Very original rust free southern car that needs very little work to make it atop dollar car. I take it once or twice a month on cruise nights and would not be afraid to drive it anywhere. Engine / trans are in very good condition. A/C is not installed, but I have the a/c compressor and mounting brackets. The engine compartment is very clean Interior -The interior needs carpet in back and the headliner is sagging. The driver's vinyl seat is torn, but the passenger seat looks like new. The dash, console, guages, door panels, and front carpet are very nice. The wood grain is good on dash but a little worn on console. Has tilt wheel and rim blow wheel that works. Steering wheel has one crack at 12:00 position. Exterior - Body panels are straight and rust free. Comes with the one year only ram air hood that works. Tail lights are nice. Bumpers are very descent. Grille is very presentable, but has a couple of broken pieces, which are repairable. Pictures show Ford GT wheels, but it now has same Rallye wheels as seen on the orange car. The tires and battery are less than 6 months old. Car #2 - 1970 AMX with 390 automatic, Ram Air, GoPaK, Twin Grip positraction rear end, AMC Ralley Wheels, P/S, Power Disk Brakes, Electric Wipers. Bittersweet Orange with Black interior. A previous owner started disassembling it for ""restoration"" and then lost interest. During the long years in storage, the car and many of its parts were separated. A friend's son came across it and managed to buy it, not realizing how rare/expensive interiors, dashes, and grilles were for the 1970 AMXs. So he used 71-73 javelin parts instead, or just didn't replace some things (no seatbelts). Eventually, he also lost interest and I boughtit from him. Engine/Trans -The engine was rebuilt and a higher stall torque converter installed, headers and flowmasters. It runs very strong, sounds really good, but has the occasional tendency not to start after it gets hot. So its kinda embarrassing when you are down at the Pig Stand on Saturday nights and you have to wait for it to cool down. Interior -Wrong year/model interior! Seats, dash and doorpanels are from a 71-73 Javelin. Exterior -The body is pretty solid, but the hood has a few spots starting to bubble up under the shadow mask. Orange paint is about 3 or 4 years old and looks very good. Black shadow paint has some bubbles in front. Wrong year/model grille,its a 71-73 Javelin grille made to fit. All in all, it is a fairly solid car with a strong drive train that will make an excellent base for restoration or take all of the interior parts out of a rusty/wrecked 70 AMX or Javelin and be ready to go. Parts --1970 AMX Ram Air Hood. Yellow, Very nice condition. Totally rust free. No RAM Air parts included. 1970 AMX Grill. Good condition. Has a couple of small cracks. All mounting tabs are intact. 1968-70 AMX/Javelin Rear window louver kit. Very nice condition. Black, with only the top mounts. No bottom mounts or key. PHOTOS AVAILABLE AT: http://home.grandecom.net/~rlovell/AMX/ Ron Lovell rlovell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ============= anyone interested in either of the two 70 AMXs for sale give them a shout above thanks Eddie Stakes' Planet Houston AMX 713.464.8825 eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.planethoustonamx.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 02:18:52 +0000 From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AMC-List] brought a vigilante home To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <071520060218.21461.44B8508C000066CB000053D52200734830019D0A0790019D9F9C03@xxxxxxxxxxx> Error 403: Forbidden /whoswhojlu/whoswh61.jpg cannot be viewed. Remote linking to Toon Zone files is not allowed. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Eh, I thought ya'll were talking about the Justice League character: > http://jl.toonzone.net/whoswhojlu/whoswh61.jpg > I'll keep driving................ > Eddie Stakes' > Planet Houston AMX > 713.464.8825 > eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > www.planethoustonamx.com > > _______________________________________________ > AMC-List mailing list > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > or go to http://www.amc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:51:23 -0500 From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] hornet mirror template wanted To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Michael L. lakin" <mlakin@xxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <043701c6a7ba$2323c420$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mike below is looking for measurments to install his mirror correctly on his 73 Hornet on the passenger side. I have a template for 68-69 AMX on my site under "restoration" http://www.planethoustonamx.com/restoration/amx%20pa2.jpg but that won't help him out. Anyone know how far back he has to mount this or can send him photos with instructions he would appreciate it! Eddie, Still a little confusion. The auction was for a Hornet passenger side mirror. I have the mirror and the rubber/plastic mounting base/gasket. I am looking for the mounting template for a passenger side mirror for a 1973 Hornet 2 door hatchback (mine is at body and paint - in primer as we speak :-) Might even be in color by the weekend... mlakin@xxxxxxxxxxx Mike Lakin ================================== Eddie Stakes' Planet Houston AMX 713.464.8825 eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.planethoustonamx.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:03:10 -0400 (EDT) From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) Subject: Re: [AMC-List] altenator conversion kits for sale To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <200607150303.k6F33A915026@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> " From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> " " Alternator conversion Kit Two wire Alternator 82 AMPs test and mounting " bracket and integral regulator, for V8 AMC. Most popular to rebuit, Must be " use on pre all 1978 AMC car. Price including freight 144.$ Am Racing " info@xxxxxxxxxxxx 514 990 2691 " ==================================== " anyone interested in a alternator conversion kit give Pierre a shout above btw this is pierre bochamp in montreal, a long time amc fanatic and straight dealer. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:27:20 -0400 (EDT) From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) Subject: Re: [AMC-List] trannie interchange question To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: kjw14@xxxxxxxx Message-ID: <200607150327.k6F3RKn15161@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> " ----- Original Message ----- " From: "Keith J. Woodcock" <kjw14@xxxxxxxx> " [] " " My question: My neighbor has a 76 Hornet with a three speed manual. I " have a T5 from a Spirit. Can we make the swap? Are the bolt patterns the " same, etc. etc. all amc sixes, including the jeep 4.0, have the same bellhousing pattern since '72, shared with '67-up v8s. in '76 amc was still running out the last few t-14s but i believe they all went into gremlins. more likely he has a t150, which is a ford toploader, and a 'short shaft' [falcon/mustang/torino] 4sp or iron case granada 4sp o/d are straight swaps, shifter aside. the t-14, t150, and sr4/t4/t5 bolt patterns are all different, and bearing retainer diameters are different also. they appear to have used a single bellhousing casting but finished differently for each. occasionally you can find one with all the patterns drilled, but the t5 would still be a loose fit replacing a t150 as its retainer is smaller, 4.64" vs. 4.85". the t5 can be swapped in with bellhousing, or you could replace the amc bearing retainer for a ford mustang 5.0 t5 one if the t150 bell is drilled with the t5 bolt pattern. i wouldn't be surprised if the amc t5 output spline and length are the same as the t150 but i don't know for sure. i do know the input spline, pilot, and throwout bearing are not. the rear mount is another possibility for change. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:20:23 +0500 From: "ROSS BLAIR" <bigbad69@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] My First Car To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <20060715042023.18E63478076@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well not really MY first car, it was my Dad's, but it was also the first car I ever drove. By 1977, the former family car, a '69 Rambler, was abandoned in the driveway. At age 17, I resurected it from the dead and called it my own. After getting it running, I also had to straighten out the body where my older brothers had "adjusted" the factory styling previously. In my last year of high school, I got a lot of snide comments from classmates about the beater Rambler I was driving until I reminded them I didn't have to ask permission to drive it. It was a Beale St. Blue 440 (they were all 440's in '69 weren't they?) sedan with the 199 in it. No powerhouse by any stretch of the imagination, but it took a lot of abuse (three teenage drivers and an owner who did minimal maintenance) and kept on going. I have always respected the toughness of these cars. After high school, a summer of working produced enough cash to buy a more stylish (read chick-magnet) car: a '69 Javelin. The Rambler was again abandoned in the driveway where it bio-degraded for a couple of years, then was towed away for scrap. Even though it was never really my car, I liked to think of it as mine, and I was proud of my accomplishments. Growing up in a family of accountants and book keepers, I was the gear-head and figured it all out by myself. Ross Blair 69 BBO Javelin 390 Ottawa, Ont. -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:42:12 +0500 From: "ROSS BLAIR" <bigbad69@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Attack of the clones To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <20060715044212.412AD1158CC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Clones are getting more respect these days because it's getting so regular people can't afford the real thing anymore. Have you priced a Shelby Cobra kit car lately? The well done HemiCuda clones are starting to push 6 figures now because the real ones are off the chart. Clones are not bad. Mostly it's someone building the car they would like to have but can't afford. I have read Zazarine's comments on the matter. He's unabashedly against them because a really well done clone can be passed off as genuine, generally not by the creator, but by the second or third owner down the line. That seems to be his problem with clones. However honest the intentions of the creator, the car will eventually wind up in the hands of some scumbag who will try to pass it off as original. To me, that's like saying close all banks because eventually someone will try to rob it. So I say "send in the clones!" and enjoy your car because, after all, it is YOUR car, but don't ever try to pass it off as original unless it is. Ross Blair 69 BBO Javelin 390 Ottawa, Ont. -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:41:21 -0500 From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] brought a vigiante home To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <04f301c6a7ca$80f46310$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Eh, ok Mark, here is the Vigilante, the fellow on the left with the mask. http://www.planethoustonamx.com/vigilante.jpg Not to be confused with a Willys/AMC/Jeep/DCX same! Eddie Stakes' Planet Houston AMX 713.464.8825 eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.planethoustonamx.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:33:22 -0400 From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend... To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <ADVANCES62IEAOeIiGX00000033@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain There's only two things "wrong" with an AMC 327 (or any GEN-1 V-8): 1. No speed parts. The only thing you can easily do is improve the exhaust system and air filter. The factory 4V intake takes a Holley carb, so a carb upgrade is pretty easy, and the stock units are only like 450 or so cfm -- a 600 cfm would be nice! Later AMC aluminum intakes can be adapted, but adapter paltes have to be made. It's not to hard to have a stock cam reground either, but that's about it for easy -- if you consider changing a cam "easy". 2. When the water pump goes out on a trail, you'd better have a spare! They are still obtainable, but you're going to be stuck a few days, maybe even a week, while one is ordered. Same for other hard parts. The only things you can walk into any auto parts store and get are tune-up parts, belts, and hoses -- provided you don't mind using universal hoses. Not good for a daily driver! That's why I finally gave up on running a 196 equipped American as daily reliable transportation. It was reliable, but when something did need fixing the car might be down for a week or two awaiting parts. Not a problem most of the time while I was in Georgia or MS, I rode my bike. But if something went out on a long trip I'd have been stuck! That only happened once -- one of the lower trunnion caps came out. That took two weeks to get and the car had to sit in a towing company yard the whole time. Luckily the company took pity on a young USAF guy and charged me a flat fee to keep it until I got back (this was 15 years ago!). Still, it cost me $200 to have the car towed and stored (in an open lot) for two weeks, and I had to rent a car to continue my trip to a training class, ordered the part and had it sent to the class, then had to rent a car to go back! I was traveling from SC to Governor's Island, NY, and the trunnion cap fell off in Maryland. Luckily no damage was done to the car, steering just got real bad all of a sudden. I just screwed one of the caps from the new trunnion onto the old one, peened the threads in the arm to keep it from backing out, and drove on. Now I tack weld every one of those suckers when I reassmble a trunnion front end. Not really necessary on most, but it's cheap insurance! The tack weld makes it easy to inspect them too. If the tack is broke, the joint is starting to seize. Of course if you keep them greased it should never be a problem! I'd rebuilt mine a few years before and the threads in the arm were just tight enough to hole the cap. Should have checked that before a long trip! Peening the arm is really enough to tighten it up. On July 14, 2006 BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > -------------- Original message -------------- Also while I agree about using a more reliable engine/trans combo whats so bad about the AMC 327? i thought in 4v form they were tough motors.I see traditional hot rodders revamping flatties and Ford guys running tried and true Y block V8's myself included with my 60 Effie. > Bart ============================================================= Posted by wixList Archiver -- http://www.amxfiles.com/wixlist ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:45:59 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend... To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <BAY114-F256CAACB1503AD33B3D7F3AC6C0@xxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed A: If the rig in question is a pickup and not a Wagoneer, the front axle is a D44 that is spring over with closed knuckles and drums. Mine has taken quite a beating and still handles quite well. (and takes 40 acres to turn around in a parking lot unless I'm rolling while steering) I do plan an upgrade to a J20 open knuckle with disc brakes front axle (have the axle but need to give it a freshen up, new brake hoses and calipers and replace/lube the joints after welding new spring pads on) If I didn't already have a good 304 in my '73, the 327 I just got would be going in! I do need to fix my powervalve (been too busy just moving stuff around from the '90 E350 cube van to my storage locker. FINALLY got the Ford 95% unloaded today so I can put it up for sale next week!) D53 (that's funny! Came up D%# when my caps lock didn't release) has tough to find wheel bearings, but the rest is very similar to D60. I already have a D60 full float (from a J20) in the rear (it bolted right in and I did a rear shackle flip with my engine hoist and a crow bar after undoing the shocks) so I can haul loads. The "road" to my cabin (I should say the "class 2 in nice weather" trail) is 4.2 miles long gets travelled several times a week heavily loaded. 6500lbs of concrete slabs (one load), two IH 7.3L diesels with auto while towing the cube van body (almost the same as mine), a 12' x 25' metal garage (with extra pieces to close it in and a metal roll up door), 12' cab over camper that was waterlogged and rotting (the camper jacks tore out while trying to lift it from the weight), so I had to use my engine hoist to tip up one end and get it on my truck, then switch and lift the other end while using a winch to pull it onto the truck. I scrapped it out (1,000 lbs of aluminum from the shell and I don't know how much glass. Two 45 gallon barrels after I busted them when no-one wanted them) and got enough good plywood to build 3 4'x8' shelves in my storage plus enough kindling to get through winter. The old insulation is being used to line the outhouse (which will become a shed after indoor plumbing is allowed). and I STILL had 2,000lbs of garbage and rot to take to the dump! (the appliances are going to be used in the cabin) From: BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend... To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: -------------- Original message -------------- From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx >Disclaimer: I am not trying to be a jerk with this reply. > >You are completely thinking in the wrong decade. It has a D27 front and what >looks like a D53 rear and its really not suitable for wheeling, as the entire >drivetrain would have to be replaced for me to have any confidence in it doing >anything off the pavement and returning home under its own power. I'd rather >break newer, common parts than the older unobtanium. I wouldn't feel comfotable >wheeling a heavy rig like that on D44's, even. > >I don't know what "35's" you're referring to. Dana 35's? FSJ's never used >D35's. They used a D30 front from 71-73. > >-Spro > Spro,4x4's i have limited knolage of compared to 2wd cars.and yes i meant Dana 35's .i thought the early FSJ's used em i stand corected knwoing that they used Dana'30's and if your uncomfortable with the 44's i mentioned ok how bout a 3/4 ton running gear Dana 60 front and rear with the flipped shackles and a Dana 300 or NP 205 transfer case?Also while I agree about using a more reliable engine/trans combo whats so bad about the AMC 327? i thought in 4v form they were tough motors.I see traditional hot rodders revamping flatties and Ford guys running tried and true Y block V8's myself included with my 60 Effie. Bart _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list End of AMC-List Digest, Vol 6, Issue 38 ***************************************