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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: 4.0 Humpster for sale (Frank Swygert)
   2. Re: my tail light expense (Frank Swygert)
   3. Re: 64 Typhoon Project (Frank Swygert)
   4. Re: Shipped! Trans coming, Rear Axle? (Frank Swygert)
   5. Re: Shipped! Trans coming, Rear Axle? (Frank Swygert)
   6. weather pack connectors (d stohler)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:38:54 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 4.0 Humpster for sale
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
	<ADVANCES62NFmWAFsTm0000026d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Or more direct, a rod broke and went through the block. Still sounds
like a fair price -- all the work has been done for the 4.0L converion. 
Rebuildable short blocks aren't to expensive. Use the existing head and 
electronics, but have the head rebuilt with the short block. 


On July 10, 2006 Mark Anthony Sproviero wrote:

> Something put a window in the block.  Get it?
> 
> 
> -Spro
> 
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > My dad always told me, "You don't learn if you don't ask."  What
does "window
> > the block" mean?  Never heard that before.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > On Monday 10 July 2006 08:47, Widiker, John D wrote:
> > > I'm selling the 4.0 humpster, managed to window the block pretty
well.
> > > It's a 1971 6cyl Javelin that's pretty darn solid. The 4.0 is
obviously
> > > toast but it's an engine swap away from working again, it had
great
> > > power and mileage with the 4.0.
> > >


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:08:13 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my tail light expense
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Seems I remember the taillights for the 62 being a bit unique now -- oh 
well, you have to do what you have to do! At least the headlights will
be easy -- standard replacement part in any parts store. I have halogen 
sealed beams in mine. I haven't found any with the replaceable bulbs,
but I haven't been looking. The sealed beam halogens work just as good, 
much better than standard sealed beams.


On July 11, 2006 d stohler wrote:

> according to the seller on ebay, these are NOS tail lights. one is
still in the old bag with the amc part # on it. i have found tail
lights for 62 americans no problem. 63 classics and up. the 62 classic
is a round red lense, with a clear triangle on the bottom, and the
center is a reflector with a clear "pretty" trim ring around the red
lense. i have never found any new or nos tail lights in the 7 years i
have had the car. i got pulled over by a cop when i first started
driving it. said first, he had never seen a rambler and wanted to see
what the hell it was, then told me to get that tail light fixed. now,
me being the smart ass i am.... couldnt let it go.... told HIM to find
me a new set of tail lights and then BUY them for me. cause i couldnt
find them, and at the time, if i did find them, probably couldnt afford 
them. so he got all pissy and took out a can of red spray paint and
made me spray paint the bulb red right there on the side of the
highway. LOL. guess that
>  was better than it coulda been? it was only a small chip in one
corner, but enough for him i guess. anyway, should look nice. my parts
car 62 classic had some nice housings that the chrome cleaned up real
good. lenses were still cracked and real cloudy tho. should look nice
and puurrrty now. i have seen them before, but dont know where to look. 
them clear lense headlights. i have the 4 lights on it. 5" or 5 1/4"
somethin like that. the small roundies. they take like h4 hallogen
bulbs i think. anyway. wanting to find some of them. like how they
look. still looking for someone who might have the stainless trim for
the car. anyone have any leads keep me in mind if you could?? i guess
thats about all for today. things are really heating up around here.
125 degrees almost every day.. latly been real windy and dusty. only 4
months left of this place tho. almost out. anyone near s.w. oklahoma,
dallas area know of a 304? dont have to be running. just be a healthy
candidate for a
>  rebuild.
> 
>   dave stohler
>   camp taji iraq
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:27:55 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 64 Typhoon Project
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Kent, you can use all the parts you need from any 63-66 Classic or Ambo 
two door hardtop. Same for the drivetrain -- it just needs to be a 232
if you want to be Typhoon specific. There was nothing special about the 
Typhoon 232, so it will still look correct with any engine. You just
need a 63-66 Torque Tube trans (earlier uses a different TT mount) and
any 64-71 232 (or a 71 258 -- the only year that will bolt to your
trans). You can't put a 258 crank in a pre 71 232 though. The deck
height was raised ~1/8" to get the bigger stroke. I've heard of a
spacer being made for a long stroke AMC six, so it could be done. The
fellow I talked to (can't remember who) had the spacer bolted down and
the block bored with it in place. He increased the stroke of a 258 this 
way for a Jeep racer (offset ground the crank). Lots of work!! Using
the spacer and a 258 crank in an early 232 to keep the TT trans makes a 
little more sense. 

On July 11, 2006 KENT ANDERSON wrote:

> I'm getting kind of desperate for an engine/tranny for this '64
Typhoon project.  I really don't want to part out the other Typhoon
over this.  It would be a shame to destroy one of the few real Typhoons 
left to build the first one up.  I'm even thinking of possibly selling
the second one, instead of restoring it, too.
> I also need a rear seat back, windshield, rear window, and both side
windows for this 64 Classic 2-door.  I can still get a new windshield
from SafeGlass, but it's $600.  I'ld kinda like to avoid that one, if I 
can.
> Also, I have available vinyl transfers for the gussets that rust away 
on the mid-60's classics.  They can be applied to sheet metal, cut and
folded on the lines, and welded to the fender/cowl.  I have a couple of 
photos, if interested, let me know.  This Typhoon project has taught me 
how to fold metal, weld, and cuss in six languages!
> Hope someone can help with that engine/tranny deal.  I really don't
want to strip the other Typhoon of parts.  It would be a blast to
restore both, and the little lady and I could do cruises with his/hers
Typhoons!  (AND save one of the last few of 'em, too.)
> 
> Kenny


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:37:10 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Shipped! Trans coming, Rear Axle?
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Those axles are used behind 305 and 350 TPI engines, and with the 4.3L
V-6. I doubt you'll have a problem. You can always use wheel spacers if 
necessary, but there's another problem! There are wheels that have the
old GM 5x4.75" pattern and the Ford/Chryco/AMC 5x4.5" pattern, but I
think the S-10 uses the newer metric pattern. So you might need two
different sets of wheels, or have the axles and rotors drilled for the
new pattern. If you need an inch on each side you can have spacers made 
with the new pattern, but they are kind of pricey. Check with local
shops and see what they would charge for redrilling the hubs and rotors 
first.

On July 11, 2006 markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> well, it seems that after I sent him 4 emails starting Sunday
evening.
> One from this address
> One from my work address
> Two thru eBay
> He shipped The T-5 out yesterday afternoon.
> Well, to be fair he entered the info into FedEx's system at 3:48 am
yesterday morning. It wasn't actually moving in their hands until 4PM
though.
>   It shows 90lbs, so lets hope he didn't ship me a pile of Bricks!
> I hope it is not tore up too bad.
>   Ironic thing is I opened up either Carcraft or Hotrod last night. I 
forget which and there is an Article about T-5s and they used D&D for
their parts source! This is supposed to be a D&D build.
>   Now I figure I'll fool around and break the rear axle.
> I found out that a Late model two wheel drive S10 axle is only 54"
wide, but it only has a 7 5/8" ring, slightly larger than the 7 9/16"
AMC-15 itis available with vented discs too and there are a bunch of
them around fairly cheap. Plus it can be had with 3:42 gears. The
spring perches would need moved and 1" wheel spacers would put it back
at correct width or deeper dish wheels. I'm just thinking on this for
now as one step at a time is good enough. Anyone have any thoughts?
>  Stock 69 American axle width is supposed to be 56" correct?
> Pluses are
> One piece axle
> vented disc
> Internal drum ebrake on the discs
> Posi
> Minuses
> 2" too narrow
> Move spring perches
> Small ring, but I've never broken the stock AMC15
> 
> 
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:50:15 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Shipped! Trans coming, Rear Axle?
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Just get the axle nuts loosened and torqued to spec, you should be
fine! I was doing clutch dumps in my much heavier Classic wagon with
the 4.0L, T-96 (just in first gear!), stock 3.31 torque tube axle. The
TT doesn't allow any twisting of the springs, so it all goes to the
axles! Never a problem. I was running close to stock tires with a "one
legger", but those axles are tougher than people think. Many AMX racers 
use them on 10 second cars with no problems (well, those are model 20s, 
but same type hub/axle). I wouldn't worry about the hubs as long as the 
nuts are retorqued (250-300 lb/ft). 


On July 11, 2006 markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> When I get the ZJ rear discs for the XJ I may try a quick test fit on 
one of my AMC15 axles as dependingon offest and the hub diameter the ZJ 
brakes may bolt onto the AMC15. That would be easy, but still leave the 
two piece axles. which I figure are the weak link in the picture
anyway. I'm somewhat afraid that once I put the World class T-5 in it
I'll be a little more prone to dump the clutch once and a while! With
the 255/60/15's and the 4.0L making as much power as some of the small
8's. I'm guessing it won't be too long before I break SOMETHING!


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:21:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] weather pack connectors
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here in iraq, i work on trucks called a HET (heavy equipment transporter) made by oshkosh. they got that detroit 8V92 series 2 stroke diesel turbo/supercharged motors. i replace them quite often as these guys drive the ever livin dog piss out of them almost nonestop. these trucks use these weatherpack conectors thru almost the entire truck. they are GREAT. i would recomend them to anyone. they got a great thru pannel connector with maybe 18-20 wire terminals in it. cut a hole in the pannel the size you need, 2 bolt holse on either side, bolt it to the pannel, and the connector sits on the other side with a 1/4 stud on the other side of the connector to hold it on the mounted side. they are water tight, and very secure connections. since they came up on the list, i see they actually sell them. i never knew that. hmm... been needing to rewire the 62 classic..... i guess im goin to have to get to gether everything i need now to wire it with their connectors. wonder if you
 could use a painless wiring kit, with these connectors??.... hmm.. interesting. 
   
  by the way, has anyone on the list here ever rewired with one of them painless wiring muscle car kits?? or any of the painless wiring kits at all? just wondering how "painless" they really make it. heck, i been rewiring HETS that have wires that are all black, just #'s on them. anything with colors now will be NO PROBLEM. i am the only guy in our unit who has any experience with electrical. anyway, have a great day all.
   
  dave stohler
  camp taji iraq

 		
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