Re: chevy v6 in wagoneer?

[adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)]

" From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) 
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" " From: "L. D. Lyons" <ldlyons@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
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" " gotta Jeep question, was looking at an 85 waggoner today, The guy said 
" " it had a chevy V6 in it, and it came from the factory that way. During 
" " our conversation he mentioned it had something to do with GM getting 
" " designs frtom Jeep when they aquired AM General. If someone pout there 
" " knows any thing about this I would sure appreciate some info 
"  
" the waggie never had any kind of v6 in it ever, gm or otherwise.

i was referring here to the full-size wagoneer, the sj series.

" From: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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" Sorry, You are incorrect on this.
" In 86 and 87, maybe a year sooner and later, Jeep XJ came in a model
" designated "Wagoneer". It had four real small funky expensive stacked
" headlights and mono colored red taillights and woodgrain trim. It was
" their top of the line XJ. This is most likely the "Wagoneer" that was
" looked at and if it was an 86 model it would indeed have had the V-6
" in it.
" -
" Mark Price

i knew about the xj waggie!  just not when it appeared; i thought it
was later.  an '86 would indeed explain this situation.

" From: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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" GM doesn't own AM General. Or at least they don't own a controlling
" interest -- I think they may have bought into it a few years ago. What
" they DID "buy", or rather contract for, was use of the Hummer name and
" sales/support of the H1. AMG still makes the H1, GM handles sales and
" maintenance of the few that are made. GM also licensed the Hummer name
" for their smaller, more practical H2 and H3. 

...which are made in gm's own plants, out of gm-sourced parts, and
owing nothing but their names to the original am general humvee.

" The pre 86 2.8L was known for rear oil seal leaks. If you're getting a
" great deal on it and it doesn't leak, it's okay. It will drive about
" like a newer EFI four cylinder model. You can replace the engine
" directly with a Jeep or GM four, or a 3.1L or 3.4L GM V-6. Those will
" bolt directly to the trans and the drivetrain will take the power.
" Nothing bigger will bolt up, and if it did you'd likely have
" transmission trouble shortly. Another option, if the V-6 is in good
" condition. Is to pull the EFI from a 2.8-3.4L V-6 Camaro and drop that
" on. That will be a 20+ hp increase and better mileage. 

i believe '87-up s10 2.8s also have efi, maybe mpi, and afaik you'll
need an '87-up s10 2.8 flywheel for either the 3.1 or 3.4 as all these
post-'87 little v6s are internally balanced, unlike the jeeps' earlier
model.  a camaro flywheel is too thick and won't work.

there are indeed bigger engines that will bolt up - since the early
'80s, many of gm's engines have been made with the 2.8's bolt pattern,
including iron dukes, buick 3800s, northstar v8s...  but frank is
right, the 5-spd isn't up to much more.  the auto, which oddly with
the gm engine is a tf909, can handle more but its converter won't bolt
to a gm flexplate straight off.  3.4s are adapted by knocking the
balance weight off the jeep 2.8 flexplate and using it.

btw there's a gm 3.4 crate longblock made expressly for replacing
early-'80s 2.8s in s10s, and it has been used in xjs too.

it's possible the 5sp could be beefed - if a complete tranny swap
wouldn't be $$ better spent.  it's an aisin warner ax5, related to the
toyota g and w series, though exactly where it compares i'm not sure.
i've heard it relates to the toyota g52 and of someone using the ax5
input in a much-stronger w56, but nothing definite.
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