" From: farna@xxxxxxx " " I didn't know about the starter location change between the 196 and " 199/232!! Thanks a lot guys! The Postal Jeeps used a T-35 (M-35) " behind the 232 for a lot longer than AMC used that trans in cars, " even after AMC switched to Torque Flites. My bet is that the mid 70s " Postal Jeeps with the T-35 use the small pattern. according to postaljeep.com, they alternated series with t-35s and m-12s for quite a while into the '70s. i believe am general made their own 232s [under license or some such] with small-pattern tooling. it would be interesting to know if they had shaft rockers or bridged. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought