Jim; I posted the entry about the AMC 20s being stout with just minimum work, save for the big purchase of the one piece axles. I read a lot of 4x4 mags, though I don't off road, and they all like the 20 unless you are going to be a madman. Looking at the various uses for 20 I think it can be set up correctly, but there are some mis conceptions about the axle, especially if someone new to the fold read the article saying the hub is a press on affair only. I have never tore one up, though I have tossed a drive line or two, even when I had my 390 Gremlin. My AMX is not tame and it is running on a 35 year old rear end, new innards though.....Russ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com