"engine" was referred to in Milton's Paradise Lost in Line 17 BookIV. http://www.englishschoolsfoundation.edu.hk/webpages/TeachLearn/EnglishS/Texts/PLstV.html " engine: a machine used in warfare, here a cannon." No typical modern type engines were around at that time (1600's). Perhaps something to do with recoil from firing. So that's around 400 years or so, OK. Now we're Rambling... huh? _____________________________________________________________________ Ralph Ausmann - Hillsboro, OR > http://mysite.verizon.net/res79g4m/ --------------previous message below---------- On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Jerry Casper wrote: > > > I always flinched a little when I hear people call > > an "internal combustion > > > engine" a "motor". > So what about the old expression " mill ", I've read > some antique books using the expression " he worked > all night on the mill under the hood ". I guess sort > of like a thrashing machine? LOL. Just another > expression I'd heard, anyone know where it came from ? Likely it came from the fact that "mill" got applied to some of the oldest of man-made mechanical contraptions (another one of those words...). Charles Babbage designed a complex automatic calculator (almost, but not quite, a computer!) in 1840's? and he called the guts of it, that did the intricate addition etc, "the mill", numbers were the grist, got milled, then output. If you track the earliest use of (engine, motor, mill, contraption,...) in English, you'll find they got swiped from greek or latin probably 300 - 400 or more years ago.