From: Russ Also adding to the possibility of a console appearing in something other than 2-dr hdtps, you don't know what some one with some juice at the factory had installed in a car. Other makes were known to get an option that was not supposed to be a particular car, so why not AMC. Just because the dealer says it can't be ordered in a particular model, doesn't mean that someone tossed enough money or weight around to make it so ---------------------- Russ, Now we're talking some pretty tight, oddball stuff here. Sure, a high-roller' can get anything they want if willing to pay the inflated bill. My observation were about what AMC would do for you and me as a regular customer. I recall an article in a Muscle Car mag years ago that showed a 1970 GTO Judge station wagon....factory built. How? A line worker simply asked for it. Was it truly a GTO? No. They simply installed every GTO piece that would fit onto a Tempest wagon. Naturally, the drivetrain, front clip, decals, dash and steering wheel, wheels, and so on, were all genuine GTO pieces installed at the factory....but it still isn't a GTO. It had regular Tempest rear springs, and other significant departures from normal GTO gear. Now I've never seen a Torino Cobra four door or a Road Runner wagon, so I can't speak to those companies and their 'rules' for 'special-orders'. ---------------------- From: John McEwen <moparrr@xxxxxxx> As AMC had previously offered "sports" equipment on its full-sized cars, it seems possible that these kinds of additions were available on special dealer order. Why not a console, 4 speed (or floor shift) bucket seat wagon? Other companies offered them. As we have seen, Ambassadors could at least be ordered with console, floor shifter and buckets. Why would the company limit itself to one body style when the identical platform of a sedan or wagon would accommodate these changes with no more difficulty than on the 2 doors? ----------------------- John- They often had solid reasons for not offering 'anything that fits' into differing models. It's a matter of sales strategy. The most obvious example I can give is the Gremlin/Hornet/Javelin V8 availability. AMC figured if you could order a Gremlin with a 401, why would you bother to buy a Hornet or Javelin? Thus, Gremlin was restricted to 304, Hornet to 360 and Javelin got the 401. Sure, Randall AMC fixed this themselves (much to AMC's vocal opposition, I'm sure), but factory-built, you couldn't get it 'your way'. And of course, some would buy the Javelin 401 even if Gremlin 401 had been available, but still, a large number of 'go-fast-cheap' folks would have just grabbed the Gremlin...and AMC would have lost the better profit margin of the Javelin each time. As for why the bucket restriction, well, as I figure, the stitching pattern of the buckets is far different from that on the wagon's folding rear seat. So the wagon's rears mimic the regular front units only...leaving one less piece to create and stockpile. Now, the four door ...that's a good question, as it shares it's back seat pieces with the two door....so the bucket-matching rear of the two door fits the four-door, too...meaning buckets in a four door would have been an easy no- brainer option (no matter how few get ordered). Perhaps Mr. Mahoney has an good idea why? John W Rosa http://www.JavelinAMX.com