Jerry, 43 ain't so old; least ways not that I can remember! I also must compliment you on your willingness to help all. I saved your reply to the new member as I know that it will help me when it becomes my turn to save a Gremlin. So far the right car has eluded me though I do have a ' 71 Pinto; a ' 72 Vega; and two ' 73 Capris. I like you am 43 yrs young though some days it fells like 43 yrs old. Thanks for the concise buyers guide to Gremlins! DANA aka orphanautos