Well, from what i heard from an old gentleman who used to sell Ramblers and AMCs, AMC back in the '70's was putting a little too much acid in the metal formulation, there's a specified limit on how much acid can be in steel by gov't regs. So, after a few years, moisture would work with the acid in the metal, and start eating the paint, and then fenders would rust off the cars in 4-5 years, and people would have to buy replacement parts. And AMC made money doing this. At least, this gentleman indicated there was a successful lawsuit againest AMC about this, after they tested the metal and found the acid content too high. Some of it is just poor design. But I've noticed that even the windshield pillars will rust out, and I've hardly EVER seen that happen on any other car than an AMC. My GT has a rust repaired spot on the right pillar down near the lower corner. I hope the rest of the car doesn't deteriorate badly that way, it's inside a garage now, so hopefully it will stop it or slow it down until I can get to doing something about it. The front fender design with the inner brace also holds moisture, so the tops of the fenders rust out. Good engineering design, bad practical design! Heck, the fact that I've got 6 Gremlins, and found them, versus a Pinto or a Vega...heck I've only seen a few Pinto's lately, and NO Vegas at all! I'd say the Gremlins have held up pretty good in the East Coast humidity so far. How many of the old Honda CVCC's have you seen lately, the little early Honda sedan? I can't remember the last time I saw one of those, they were rusting away 15 years ago when they were only 10 years old. So I'd say the AMC's are about average, with some special areas to watch out for. Well, time to get some breakfast, and prepare to head to the farm, going to bring back some more of my AMC parts, maybe an engine/trans out of the Javelin. Fun fun! Ya'll have a good weekend. Jerry wet in Woodbridge...