Mostly , Kevin, from what I heard, was that this Gremlintime group was gettting a bit wild and flames were flyin', and the moderator wasn't doing anything, and hasn't been heard from since??? So a guy created the BAG group, and invited everyone over BUT the "alleged" troublemakers...the BAG group was for hi-po Gremlins at first, but accepts all members. Guess who the Moderator is, and now accepts Chevy motors in Gremlins? It's BART. LOL. He's chilled since his "death to non-AMC motor users in Gremlins " days, and seems downright "normal" ( normal for a guy who owns a Gremlin, says the guy who owns 8 of them ). Anyway, I joined a few months ago, and Gary " The Mix " is there, as well as most of the other oldtimers from here. I'd gotten a few personal E's from people trying to subscribe to Gremlintime and having no luck, so I told them the story, and told them to get BAGged. :) Can't subscribe if the moderator is gone, can ya? That was another big reason, as people were trying to get onto the Gremlintime list, too, I think and there was no one around keeping it up and allowing new members in. So, time to move on. I think Bart is still Subbed to this list ( as I've posted here, and he's commented THERE on it, LOL. ). Don't be intimidated by the V-8 crowd over there, they're all smoke and little traction. LOL. Just kidding. Well, that's about as far as I know what happened here, so just thought I'd let you know that most of the action is now at BAG. Dang, is there action! My email keeps bursting will all the posts over there! Plenty of talk and chatter, alot of it technical and pertinent. You're missing out, go try it! At least go read the Posts at the Group website at BadAssGremlins. You'll get a feel for what's there, and whether you want to make the switch as well. AMC ya, buddy. Jerry in Virginia finally saw the headlights... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]