I posed the amc-lister comment on several groups on facebook of which there was a myraid of replies as diverse as AMC itself! Richard Lecco When you have a population that thinks the problems of the world can be solved inside of an hour, it's no wonder people have short attention spans. I met a guy at Barrett-Jackson last weekend who lost interest in his custom-from-scratch-built '34 Ford hot rod because it took two years to build instead of six months. More money than brains, I guess. AV- Nauha For me the sales prices do not really matter. I'm not into AMCs to make money. Glenn Yaromy I'm in the auto body business Richard. It happens a lot...believe me. Don Stratemeyer I have found that if you are in a hurry to sell you will never get top dollar. I have several times spent years to get what I believe to be a fair price out of a car. Impatience works against you. Lou Savaglio The market is down that is for sure. And it is across the board not just AMC's Mark Zeno Rambler still lives up to its name: a great value for a great price. I guess some things never change. Kevin Corcoran If it's who I think it is he needs to stick with Mack trucks and quit badmouthing AMC. You never the chevy guys trash their cars yet some AMC guys do it all the time. Until we respect our cars no one else will Liam Griffin you did your part but more importantly you gave people the means to restore there's with your website. John Rosa 'Driving around trying to sell it'? Then what, Craigslist? You want top dollar, go where the big spenders are. Top dollar requires top effort, both in the quality of the build and the quality of the advertising and selling process. That said, since when did NADA reflect reality? And let's not forget 5 years ago is about 6 months before the economy tanked. Fewer buyers and more sellers = lower prices. Timing is nearly everything. Brandon Heller You don't restore a car to sell it. You restore it to how you want it and sell it if you only have too. I know I'm going to put over 30k into my javelin amx. 3500 front end, 7k rear end, 10k motor, 7k trans, 5k+ paint n body work, but itll be worth it to me cause its what I want. People surround themselves in how much something is worth money wise instead how much its worth personally Ramsey Lopatic Putting 30k into an amc with the end goal to sell is about as intelligent as buying a brand new car just to sell it. Fool me once shame on you, fool me 5 times... hear just take my wallet because I clearly have more money than brains. Don Holzer If you bought it to make some tender coin it is difficult at best most all AMC people are cheap Richard Lecco The only way you can make money spending that kind of cash on a car restoration is if the car itself is such a rare and desirable piece of unobtainium that it makes financial sense. That's why Mustangs and Camaros are always the most commonly restored cars, because parts and sheetmetal are so easy to find, to the point where you can literally build an entire car from scratch without a single part having ever seen the inside of an OEM factory; And NADA numbers are only good for used cars less than 10 years old, not collectible musclecars. Car dealers don't give a damn about collector cars, they only care about what's in their inventory.Unless they're restoring Duesenbergs, Bugattis, Ferraris, Bentleys, or other either exotic or old (upwards of 75 years) cars, there should be NO expectations of making money restoring cars. You can have a side business whose income you could use to fuel your restoration efforts, but restorations rarely pay for themselves. If you watched Barrett-Jackson on TV last weekend, you probably couldn't count the number of times the auctioneers remarked about how the sale price of the beautifully restored car they just sold was far below the cost of the restoration itself. People lost a TON of money on their cars last weekend. Dan Curtis (AMC musclecars) Then he obviously is not marketing them correctly or he is not doing the things people look for and/or in a hurry to sell them. We get good pricesvpn the cars we do but on the other hand, we have the ability to wait for the right buyer rather than hive them away to the first person that makes a legitimate Tom Morrison The folks on the AMC-list gave wise info years ago: don't put money into an AMC thinking you'll get it back if and when you sell it, because you won't. AMC's just don't have that "thing" other makes have; it's that simple Tim Garrett I NEVER bought an AMCbecause I thought it was going to make me money. I bought them because I liked them and wanted to drive them. I'll likely spend more to re-do my Hornet than it will ever be worth, but it is the only one I want to own and I do not plan on selling it, especially given what I went through to buy it back a second time, so to me it really doesn't matter. One might be amazed what happens 20 years from now when yet even FEWER are left to go around and the prices of the other makes are even more outrageous than they are now. AMC's will ALWAYS lag behind the big three, it's sad, but true. Jordan Embleton I'm finding that amc's are in a bit of an up swing, they are selling fairly quickly when listed and lots of people restoring then right now, that being said a 35k car is going to take a while to sell and a 50-75k car has to be pretty special but when was the last time period in muscle car sales that amc's could sell for 35k or 50k I don't think they have ever been this high before, as well models such as rebels and ambos and classics are selling and they were always crusher feed. I don't think they will ever go sky high like some cars but they are selling and for pretty good money Scott Carpenter It's not about what it costs to restore, its about what someone is willing to pay. William Jalensky First with or economy you can get most anything cheap, he must have need the money.I have a 1970 AMX back halved car and can't give it away yet 4 years ago I had an offer of 25k I turned down.. now is the time to buy, not sell!!! Mike Serpe Unfortunately, sad but true. You either love AMC's and restore them to drive and be your baby, but you don't restore them to sell and make a profit. At least not in this economy. I'll comment later.... Eddie Stakes Planet Houston AMX 713.464.8825 days eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.planethoustonamx.com ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BaadAssGremlins/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BaadAssGremlins/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: BaadAssGremlins-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BaadAssGremlins-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: BaadAssGremlins-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/