This whole topic makes me wonder about the future of this hobby in general. If your 40/up you probably remember that Car Talk was standard social behavior for almost all men, even those who weren't shade tree mechanics. I was fortunate to grow up in the 60's and remember the whole muscle car / pony car experience. Regular guys would fix up their cars and some even drag race at a local track or cop-free street. You knew what makes and models were built by who and debated the virtues your chosen loyalty. Nowadays its not cool in most areas or just illegal and/or too technical for a budding motor head. The exception is the Japanese rice rockets popular here, but mostly its a matter of opening your wallet and having a shop do it for you. They have no clue as to auto history or significant cars. As to the iron still out there it seems most of the interest is coming from an investment mentality and everyone thinks they have gold if its old ( I overheard a "kid" talking how his Cutlass Ciera would be a classic and almost puked). Guess Im just a 49 y/o geezer who is stuck in my ways, but if there ain't grease under your nails you get no respect from me. Tom New owner of a 78 Gremlin Past owner of a "Whats an Edsel?" and numerous AMC's Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BaadAssGremlins/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BaadAssGremlins/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:BaadAssGremlins-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:BaadAssGremlins-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: BaadAssGremlins-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/