Hey Bart, hope you don't mind me posting this heere, which I posted on uh, 'the other place' today. Seems some folks have problems with our cars being called Ramblers I guess. The reason I thought it might be ok to post here, is not so much because of the mysterious secret squirrel and his pal freaking about about VINS (and note that the million dollar Mopar VIN and $220K+ Yenko VIN are posted, no Al Queda at their door) but wanted to post it here because of some of the cars in the links I have below, check out the awesome looking custom Sportabout in Sweden, and the baadass black Hornet in Norway to name just two, not to mention the vehicles in other parts of the world where people remember the Rambler name. If anyone cares to read the whole thread, it is under 'barret jackson amx gets dissed' in the 'general chat' file of the, uh, other place. Whether one agrees with me or not, AMC called the cars Ramblers well into the 1970s. And many people will always remember them as Ramblers, it is really no big deal, you can still kick their ass, or let them see your 'Rambler's tail lights on the street or track anyhows. And Secret Squirrel did drive a SS/AMX and his pal was named Morocco Mole: http://www.80snostalgia.com/classictv/secretsquirrel/ Anyhows, roll past the bs here and enjoy the links....................................................... You know as Frank mentioned, AMC 'created' that legacy of 'Rambler'. Nothing wrong with it, but even into the early 1980s you could still go to a AMC dealership where your car would be called 'a Rambler' no matter what it was model wise. Several of the Houston area former AMC dealerships still had 'Rambler Parts & Service' signs in the searvice bays. None however had the name 'Rambler' streetside, I believe AMC made dealerships remove those in a 'image makeover' but not sure what year they had to comply with that. I really don't know what the fuss is about either. All of our cars are Ramblers, no matter what model, Rambler was the parent company at one time. Rambler is a old, and proud name. We can try to revision it as we see fit to represent our cars and try to distance ourselves away from it, but it will never happen. The Rambler name is intertwined with every car that rolled off the assembly line in Kenosha and Brampton. I don't see any Australians, Mexicans, South Africans, and other AMC/Rambler owners of the world taking their nameplates and emblems off their vehicles. The Rambler name was used by AMC well into the 1970s. Maybe this is where the confusion comes from. AMC statesside was trying to move away from that longstanding name, while overseas still selling "Ramblers". This is a photo off my site of Mascot Motors in Australia for example in the 1970s, I believe 1975. You have Rambler Javelins, Rambler Hornets, Rambler Matadors, and well, Ramblers RAMBLERS. Note the sign, note the Rambler Matador coupe on the lot: http://www.planethoustonamx.com/parts%20&%20Literature/mascots_front_row.jpg Many old timers will ALWAYS call the cars Ramblers and no one shuold ever be offended, be glad they didn't call it a Pinto, or Hyundai. Here is a 71 Rambler Matador fixin to be a cop car: http://nacho.princeton.edu/~randito/matador.html And check out this great looking Rambler Matador wagon turned into a truck/utility in New Zealand: http://www.chc.quik.co.nz/rambler/Ramblerute.html A 1974 Rambler Matador from Australia, check out the baby photo looks to be in the Rambler dealership showroom too; note right hand drive: http://www.matadorsedan.com/Greathead.html Rambler Javelin 401 with right hand drive: http://www.amxfiles.com/amc/aus_jav.html >From Norway anyone want a badazz Rambler Hornet? http://dyn.tv2.no/tv2rubrikk/searchAds.do?step=3&groupId=60&adObjectId=99911445 Or Sweden? If you have never given a second thought to a Rambler Hornet Sportabout wagon, check out this awesome custom panel Sportabout....... http://www.klipp.se/show.php?adid=21665 AMC Rambler Club of Australia: http://web.netyp.com/amcramblerclub/cars.htm And shown above is a Hornet, Matador, Rebel, Javelin, yes, all Ramblers. Kirkwood mentions "I don't look at the BJ as the benchmark of automotive authority or history. They just herd the cars through while a few guys make comments like the one above." Right on both counts. Yes, the cars are herded thru like cattle here at auction. However. A number of records fall on a variety of models. And as FallbrookAMO mentions, not all of them are cream of the crop either, it is more of a shark infested feeding frenzy. I may add that not ALL car owners who want to sell there get to put their car in either, it is limited to X amount of vehicles. Someone correct me if wrong here. FallbrookAMO sez: "don't you feel one would be naive not to recognize the level of exposure created within the world of the automotive officianados" You are correct here. The level of sheer exposure is more than all magazines, all AMC clubs put together. Why? When you have big guns like ESPN2 and/or Speedvision telecast it, you won't be able to measure the exposure a 'Rambler' will get, no matter how idiotic the comments from the talking heads might be. It's called putting it on the map. Back to original thread however about Rambler name and how it lingers. In the last several years, the names Plymouth and Oldsmobile has joined us in the orphan ranks. Granted, their parent company is still around, but we can't say same with Mother Mopar and AMC, or DamlierBenz/DCX whatever they call themselves now. My question is this? Do the Mopar people now try to distance themselves from those historic names like we have (and as Farna mentioned, AMC tried to in the mid 60s)? If any of ya'll are in the Houston area April 30th, 2005, why not come check out the 10th Annual Wooden Keels & Classic Wheels Auction and Concours De Elegance at the Lakewood Yacht Club in Seabrook, TX, (about 55 miles from me near Galveston) two cars from defunct Plymouth you need to watch. One is the the green Yenko Camaro 124379N615166 Chassis, these usually sell in the $275K range.....the blue 70 Plymouth 383 convertible looks great, chassis BS2N0B297503; the big dog of the meet I believe will be the 71 Plymouth 440/6pack convertible, expected to easily surpass three quarters of a million dollars and there is also talk it will sail (no pun intened at the yacht club) easily above one million dollars. Yes, there is the VIN in broad daylight in case anyone wants to freak out about displaying their VIN on the internet, like in the 'everyone read this' thread in general chat. So if you are in Houston end of the April, come down to Seabrook and watch the money fly. And exposure. Sorry, no Ramblers anything. There will be Plymouths although not sure if the owners of a million dollar muscle car wants their sled to be called by the Plymouth out-of-business moniker now. To view the cars online go to http://theWWG.com then click on auctions, or just click here: http://www.thewwg.com/catalogue.cfm to view the whole catalog, you will need a adobe acrobat reader, but it is rather awesome to see all this iron. Now let's argue about our Ramblers some more. Eddie Stakes' Planet Houston AMX 713.464.8825 eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.planethoustonamx.com volume of email is currently EXTREMELY HEAVY 8-22 day replies, call if important ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Give the gift of life to a sick child. Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital's 'Thanks & Giving.' http://us.click.yahoo.com/5iY7fA/6WnJAA/Y3ZIAA/YtqqlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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