Re: [BaadAssGremlins] Re: Coupe or Sedan?

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Hi Onree if you need a NOS 1970 AMC color catalog, I have several in stock 
for model year 1970, your price $9. Actually awhile back I offered a special 
to Bart's group here any of them for $9 each, several took me up on it, one 
fellow, not sure if he is still here or not, bought one of each year from 
1970 thru 1982. Anyhows, if you ever want to fool many a AMC fan, ask them 
about the other two seaters AMC built, of course the Gremlin in 1970-71. 
Base price in 1970 was $1998. Ah those were the days......here is my 
literature/press photos file:
http://www.planethoustonamx.com/parts%20&%20Literature/literaturenew.htm
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Onree" <onree@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [BaadAssGremlins] Re: Coupe or Sedan?


>
> I guess on advantage of getting older is that I have lived through 
> more--now
> if I could just remember. I do remember back in the fifties that a coupe 
> was
> sometimes actually shorter in the passenger compartment/greenhouse than a
> sedan. Very noticeable in the '46-48 Dodge and Plymouth where they had two
> distinct 2-door rooflines. The two-door sedan (also sometimes referred to 
> as
> a coach) had a larger, longer back side window than the coupe. The coupe 
> had
> less rear seat foot and headroom than the sedan, but a larger trunk with
> sometimes a longer decklid. Chrysler Dodge and Plymouth also made 
> "business
> coupes" which were three window coupes with only one seat and a huge long
> trunk. These were for travelling salesmen. Ford/Mercury also made a
> distinction. The '40 Ford Coupe was the cat's meow when I was a kid--the
> 2-door sedan was a yawner.
> Chevy used three different rooflines in 1953 and 1954. The 2-door sedan 
> was
> available as a BelAir, there was also a pillarless 2-door hardtop--called 
> a
> "sport coupe" and a pillared five window business coupe in the 150 series.
> It had a place for a back seat, but just a platform installed.
>
> Definitions eventually come down to accepted usage--which of course 
> changes
> over time. My 18 year old (who is in to aircooled VWs) calls anything with 
> a
> steel roof a "hardtop." Carheads who grew up in the fifties and sixties 
> only
> use hardtop to describe a pillarless design, and yes there were lots of 
> four
> doors-I have a 1966 Corvair pillarless four door hardtop sitting in my
> driveway.
>
> AMC Gremlin content---If I remember right, when I bought my new 1970
> Gremlin, AMC called the four seat hatchback a sedan, and the two seat with
> fixed rear window a coupe--anybody have a 1970 brochure or catalog?
> Onree
>
>
> on 3/21/05 11:12 AM, John W Rosa at JohnRosa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx did write:
>
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>>
>> No arguing here...just curious if there was ever a 'firm'
>> criteria to make them, since the Feds and DMV often have
>> to mark their documentation with such specs. New Jersey
>> Uses the slightly-more-precise '2DR' and '4DR', bypassing
>> the whole issue by simply counting doors (which raises
>> other oddballs like hatchbacks that are sometimes referred
>> to as '3-doors', and those goofy Saturn 3-door 'coupes'...
>> or whatever!).
>>
>> <And now, a side trip...>
>> [Everyone recall the Pacer having a longer passenger side
>> door to make letting kids in and out on the CURB SIDE easier
>> and safer?? Now, recall the Saturn commercials introducing
>> the 3-door coupe a few years ago? They pushed the kiddie-
>> entry-and-exit convenience, too...but note that they showed
>> this happening always in a DRIVEWAY. Why? Cuz the idiots put
>> the extra door on the STREET-SIDE. Duh. Guess they assume we
>> all have a driveway and never park at the curb.]
>>
>> <...and back on track...>
>> My own tweak is using the rear-half's styling as a tie-
>> breaker of sorts. If the rear window to trunk/hatchlid
>> 'line' (viewed from the side) is indistinguishable (no
>> abrupt fold or crease between them, forming any variation
>> of a 'notch') *AND* it's got two side doors...it's a coupe.
>> If any form of notchback styling is evident, it's a sedan,
>> regardless of the number of doors.
>>
>> Using only AMCs for this example, this would then give us:
>> 68-74 Javelin and AMX: coupe.
>> Rogue: sedan
>> Rebel: sedan
>> 71-73 Matador 2 and 4 door: sedan
>> 74-78 4-door: sedan
>> 74-78 2-door: coupe
>> Hornet hatchback: coupe
>> Hornet 2 and 4 door notchback: sedan
>> Gremlin: coupe
>> Pacer hatchback: coupe
>>
>> These seem to me better applications of the terms. 'Coupe'
>> just suggests to me a more slippery/sporty shape, and fast-
>> backs suggest it best (to me).
>>
>> John
>>
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