Re: [AMC-list] AMC-list Digest, Vol 24, Issue 36

[Steve Avery <stoverstevens@xxxxxxxxx>]

On the last topic- the '64 where mentioned is that young kids don't want
these cars. This digresses and yet ties into what Mr. Hathaway is lamenting.
The saving of these cars.

  One day, we the current caretakers of the marque, will be gone. If some
kids gravitate to Ford, GM, Chrysler cars from the era so should they to
Rambler, ne` AMC. The issue is getting the word out that these cars exist
and that, apart from the Javelin SST's, AMX's , Machines, SC's, and so on
that the other models are affordable. Moreover, they are different than a
Valiant, Dart, Falcon, or Nova.

In that difference comes self-expression. Perhaps it's quite true that the
cliche of the fussy, doddering, odd fellow or the arty, trippy, slightly
nerdy gal driving an old Rambler that mimics what Ma and Pa or Grandpa and
Grandma ordered from the dealer way back when turns away today's youth. What
they need is a couple of examples that appeal to their sensibilities and a
nudge in the right direction.

Think about it.

Steve Avery

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>   1. sending unit (Armand Eshleman)
>   2. Re: Rear Disks on a '68 Rebel SS (John Eckersley)
>   3. Re: Rear Disks on a '68 Rebel SS (Sandwich Maker)
>   4. Re: Rear Disks on a '68 Rebel SS (Armand Eshleman)
>   5. Re: Rear Disks on a '68 Rebel SS (Sandwich Maker)
>   6. Re: sending unit (Sandwich Maker)
>   7. Re: sending unit (Armand Eshleman)
>   8. Re: Rear Disks on a '68 Rebel SST (Frank Swygert)
>   9. Re: more on the rear disc brake swap (Wrambler)
>  10. Re: 64 Typhoon (Wrambler)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:49:57 -0600
> From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-list] sending unit
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> Going through the fuel sending unit for the white Javelin.
>
> The resistance range when the float is moved is 45 ohms with the
> float at full droop  to 10 ohms at full float. Measured using a digital
> meter.
> Does that sound correct to you guys?
>
> The car does have the low fuel warning light
>
> thanks,
>
> Armand
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:28:42 +0000
> From: John Eckersley <john.eckersley@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Rear Disks on a '68 Rebel SS
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> Armand - re:
> >BTW are you Aussie or NZ?
> English.  In England.
>
> Lynn Howell - RE:
> >If it doesn't find another home, I be interested in the disk brake kit
> As I mentioned to Armand - it's over here in England - I think you'll find
> one closer to home - it would probably be cheaper to buy one new in the US
> than ship from over here.
>
> Everyone - thanks for all your help I will try and ID the axle but sounds
> like this kit will almost certainly bolt right on - just need a source for
> the correct rotors.
>
> http://rhdrebel.blogspot.com/
>
> John Eckersley
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> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:12:16 -0400 (EDT)
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Rear Disks on a '68 Rebel SS
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> " From: John Eckersley <john.eckersley@xxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " []
> "
> " Everyone - thanks for all your help I will try and ID the axle but sounds
> " like this kit will almost certainly bolt right on - just need a source
> for
> " the correct rotors.
>
> belated thought: the amc20 axle has the same housing end pattern as
> many ford axles, including the 'big bearing' 9" and similar more
> modern 8.8".  the same pattern was carried over to the amc20, dana 44,
> and '80s dana 35 axles used on jeeps, and ford rear disks - usually
> ltd or crown vic, but also mustang - are a common swap onto early
> cherokees and wranglers, brackets and rotors and all.  traditionally
> ford cars and even small trucks like the ranger and explorer have the
> same 5x4.5" bolt circ as amc.  trivia: the explorer used the same rear
> calipers as the liberty [new cherokee over there] and wrangler.
>
> [the '90s dana 35 housing was changed to the mopar pattern]
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:13:31 -0600
> From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Rear Disks on a '68 Rebel SS
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> @ John,  Sorry John, I don't know why I thought you were from down under, I
> guess maybe it's because there were quite a few AMCs either exported there
> or maybe built there. Do you see many AMCs in England?
>
> Armand
>
>
> > Armand - re:
> > >BTW are you Aussie or NZ?
> > English.  In England.
> >
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:18:27 -0400 (EDT)
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Rear Disks on a '68 Rebel SS
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> " From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> "
> " @ John,  Sorry John, I don't know why I thought you were from down under,
> I
> " guess maybe it's because there were quite a few AMCs either exported
> there
> " or maybe built there.
>
> stu fitchett, a kiwi in oz, is on the list...
>
> " Do you see many AMCs in England?
>
> many years ago we had an english fellow who said that rambler parts
> over there were cheaper than english car parts.  i don't recall what
> he was driving though.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought
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> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:20:14 -0400 (EDT)
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] sending unit
> Message-ID: <201103222320.p2MNKEG11255@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> " From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " Going through the fuel sending unit for the white Javelin.
> "
> " The resistance range when the float is moved is 45 ohms with the
> " float at full droop  to 10 ohms at full float. Measured using a digital
> " meter.
> " Does that sound correct to you guys?
>
> roughly.  i'd expect it to be higher than 45 but the tolerance is
> probably pretty loose.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:53:27 -0600
> From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] sending unit
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> Thanks Mr. Sandwichmaker for the reply. I think I'll put it back into the
> tank and try it.
> It's gonna be a while yet before that gets done though. Gotta wait for
> warmer temps so I can apply the
> protective coating to the tank. I guess if the thing don't work correctly,
> i
> can always purchase a new one.
>
> Thanks again,
> Armand
>
>
>
> >
> > roughly.  i'd expect it to be higher than 45 but the tolerance is
> > probably pretty loose.
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> > internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
> > adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 04:58:38 -0500
> From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Rear Disks on a '68 Rebel SST
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> There are several rotors with the 5x4.5" pattern on them. 90s-00s Ford
> Crown Vic w/rear disc, Jeep XJ/MJ (Cherokee/Commanche) 4x4 front,
> 90s-00s Ford Mustang w/rear disc, and Ford Explorer w/rear disc come to
> mind. The offset will be different for each though, that is the key
> here! If you just want rear discs order a basic kit from Speedway
> (www.speedwaymotors.com). They have weld-on mounts. Cut the drum backing
> plates down to just fit the ends of the axles and weld on the caliper
> mounts -- mount the rotor and fit the caliper with the bracket attached
> to locate where to weld. Then get standard GM front rotors. If a park
> brake is desired get the GM rotors with park brake. The only catch with
> those is that you must use the park brake regularly to keep them
> adjusted. You may be able to measure the axle offset and mod a set with
> the mini drum in the rotor from a 9" Ford to fit the AMC 20 axle --
> offset is nearly the same. Speedway has a file with most of the
> measurements in it, bolt pattern and off set.
>
> --
> Frank Swygert
> Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
> Magazine (AMC)
> For all AMC enthusiasts
> http://www.amc-mag.com
> (free download available!)
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:18:57 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] more on the rear disc brake swap
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> Been a lot of replies on this...
> My 2 cents as I have not seen it mentioned.
> IIRC while researching I found that a Chrysler (Sebring maybe?) around 98
> has a smallish FRONT rotor, vented with 5 on 4.5" pattern.
>   I bought a pair of 2005 Mustang rear calipers, they have the cadillac
> style ebrake in the caliper and are designed to sit over a vented rotor,
> again IIRC. They were takeoffs from one of the upgrade companies, cost me
> like $40 for the pair.
>
> It's been a while since I mapped this out.
> I intend on putting all this stuff on a Ranger 8.8, but it should also fit
> the AMC 15 and 20 axles with the correct bracket.
>  To make a bracket, use cardboard, the heavy stuff, clamp the caliper rotor
> assembly firmly then work out your bracket. Cut it out in MDF, make sure it
> fits, then go get the brackets made up at a quality metal shop with waterjet
> or plasma cutter.
>   If you have a plasma cutter you can even make the pattern in mdf to allow
> for the head with of the plasma and cut them out yourself. 1/4 steel is
> good, 3/8" gives you a little extra comfort zone. you can make them bolt on
> or weld on, depending on how you want to go.
>
>   Any of the 05 up Mustang rear discs should be swappable with the same
> ideas.
> Watch for rotor size as you can quickly get to large for 14 or 15" wheels.
>
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV 26508
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II
> "I realize that death is inevitable.
> I just don't want to be around when it happens!"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: "Sandwich Maker" <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:58:49 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AMC-list] more on the rear disc brake swap
> >
> > " From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > "
> > "
> > " I just called the guys at SSBC and they're telling me that they
> > don't offer
> > " a rotor that fits the 5 on 4-1/2 pattern.
> > " I'm lost now because WSC Motorsports offers a kit that fits the AMC
> > cars with
> > " the correct rotor. The two kits appear to be the same except for
> > rotors.
> > " SSBC guy says it's nearly impossible to redrill the rotor for the
> > correct
> > " pattern.
> >
> > i guess, if you're using a hand drill...  should be easy with a mill
> > or drill press.  imho the hardest part would be marking the rotor.
> >
> > " PBR makes the caliper for the kit.
> >
> > the streetrod mfg co [tsm.com?] has kits for the amc20 in both cars
> > and jeeps.  they also tell you where their oem parts come from.
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> > internet rambler                            is to see what all have
> > seen
> > adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:30:09 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] 64 Typhoon
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> Late on this too, but honestly a roof swap on a 64 hardtop is not a big
> deal...
> They have very little metal, clean square cuts some reinforcing plates slid
> up, or down, actually both with spot welds on those and butt welds at the
> cuts a little body work and black paint and put he front and rear glass in
> and poof, fixed...YMMV.
>
>
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV 26508
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II
> "I realize that death is inevitable.
> I just don't want to be around when it happens!"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: "russ hathaway" <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "Rambler Nash Jeep and familyAMC" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:45:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AMC-list] 64 Typhoon
> >
> > I have these two 64 770 hdtps. The one that runs and is nicely
> > optioned (its original owner called me and we talked) just needs a top
> > and I have this nice cancer free 64 that doesn't run.
> > I guess I can cut the top off the nice one and "restore" the runner.
> > Then this Typhoon "just needs" a few things that I can take off the
> > non running Classic.
> > What the hey, anyone else got any other cars languishing in the weeds
> > somewhere. My neighbor has a spot in front of his house that I can
> > park it. After all, I'll get to it one day.
> > It doesn't matter that I'm working 60 hours a week, I'm so damn tired
> > after work to do anything. 56 year old backs don't just bounce back,
> > y'know.
> > One good dope slap later I realize that I can not save all the AMCs in
> > the world. The young kids coming into the fold do not want our old
> > Rambler and we who love the cars are either dying off or culling the
> > herds, getting ready for our days in the sun.
> > Anyways, I will stay with my original plan to use the running 327/AT,
> > it was a dealer install by the original owner, and posi to get my nice
> > 64 going. Body work is the one thing I farm out and swapping a roof is
> > too much when it is easier to swap drive trains....Russ
> > ?
> >
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