[AMC-list] Windshield trim clips

[Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>]

Cool Thanks!  Unfortunately I went to two stores today and checked the Help 
racks b4 I got this response and ddi not find them there or in the Dorman 
Catalogue.  I will try going to the "Big City" tomorrow and check some racks 
with more variety.  Unfortunately, with Parts Proliferation being the issue it 
is, a lot of chains are spreading out their slower moving items to be "in a 
market" rather than at every store.  I had to drive close to 30 minutes just to 
get a big cap adapter to use a Motorcraft wide cap on the 88 Wagon!  


Times they are a changing!  Any chance you guys can give me a part number?  

Thanks and have a great week, 

Jesse




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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: quiet in here, 195.6 ohv cooling system (Frank Swygert)
  2. Re: quiet in here, 195.6 ohv cooling system (Frank Swygert)
  3. Re: quiet in here, 195.6 ohv cooling system (Joe Fulton)
  4. Re: quiet in here, 195.6 ohv cooling system (ameskg@xxxxxxxxx)
  5. Re: quiet in here, 195.6 ohv cooling system (tom jennings)
  6. Eagle Wagon Trim Clips (Jesse)
  7. Re: Eagle Wagon Trim Clips (Joe Fulton)
  8. Re: Eagle Wagon Trim Clips (russ hathaway)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:46:28 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] quiet in here, 195.6 ohv cooling system
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I found a chart for plain water. Each psi over 15 psi (atmospheric pressure) 
raises the boiling point by 3? (212?F at atmospheric pressure). BUT, anything 
added to water will increase the boiling point/decrease the freezing point. So 
the ethylene glycol has that effect too.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/boiling-point-water-d_926.html

Check this Wikipedia article out! It has the boiling point vs. concentration of 
ethylene glycol (anti-freeze). Assuming that the boiling point is raised the 
same as water a 50/50 mix would boil at 225? + 3? for each psi over 15 psi (14.7 
psi).

So a 13 psi cap won't work -- I run a 16 or 17 psi cap, which only adds 3-6?. 
Somehow that doesn't sound right. I know some engine run around 250? without 
boiling over. Is a radiator cap rated at psi over atmospheric? Then a radiator 
would run 225? + 36? (261?) with a 13 psi cap and 50/50 mix... which sounds 
about right...

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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:14:01 -0700
From: tom jennings<tomj@xxxxxxx>

>
>  " But 50/50 boils at 223F,
>
>  open air, or under the cap?
>
>

Oh right, 223F B.P. at atmospheric pressure. I can't seem to find a credible
chart or formula for pressure vs. B.P.  but two random pages stated 48
degrees increase in boiling point at 15psi.

So coolant is NOT boiling in the head at 230F, so that is unlikely to be a
problem.

Still gotta find a chart or formula for this, but thanks Andrew!!

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
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(free download available!)



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:47:11 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [AMC-list] quiet in here, 195.6 ohv cooling system
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Oh yeah, the Wikipedia article link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol#Coolant_and_heat_transfer_agent

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://www.amc-mag.com
(free download available!)



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:01:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Fulton <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Rambler Nash Jeep and familyAMC <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] quiet in here, 195.6 ohv cooling system
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Would not 15 psig (gauge pressure - pressure in the cooling system) be 29.7 psi 
absolute?
?
Joe Fulton

--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] quiet in here, 195.6 ohv cooling system
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 1:47 PM


Oh yeah, the Wikipedia article link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol#Coolant_and_heat_transfer_agent

-- Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
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(free download available!)

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:46:33 -0700
From: ameskg@xxxxxxxxx
To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] quiet in here, 195.6 ohv cooling system
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Pretty sure a 15psi cap is 15psi over to open. If it was just 15psi then it may
as well be open to the atmosphere. : )

Ken

Quoting Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>:

> I found a chart for plain water. Each psi over 15 psi (atmospheric pressure)
> raises the boiling point by 3? (212?F at atmospheric pressure). BUT, anything
> added to water will increase the boiling point/decrease the freezing point.
> So the ethylene glycol has that effect too.
> 
> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/boiling-point-water-d_926.html
> 
> Check this Wikipedia article out! It has the boiling point vs. concentration
> of ethylene glycol (anti-freeze). Assuming that the boiling point is raised
> the same as water a 50/50 mix would boil at 225? + 3? for each psi over 15
> psi (14.7 psi).
> 
> So a 13 psi cap won't work -- I run a 16 or 17 psi cap, which only adds 3-6?.
> Somehow that doesn't sound right. I know some engine run around 250? without
> boiling over. Is a radiator cap rated at psi over atmospheric? Then a
> radiator would run 225? + 36? (261?) with a 13 psi cap and 50/50 mix... which
> sounds about right...
> 
> ---------------------
> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:14:01 -0700
> From: tom jennings<tomj@xxxxxxx>
> 
> >
> >  " But 50/50 boils at 223F,
> >
> >  open air, or under the cap?
> >
> >
> 
> Oh right, 223F B.P. at atmospheric pressure. I can't seem to find a credible
> chart or formula for pressure vs. B.P.  but two random pages stated 48
> degrees increase in boiling point at 15psi.
> 
> So coolant is NOT boiling in the head at 230F, so that is unlikely to be a
> problem.
> 
> Still gotta find a chart or formula for this, but thanks Andrew!!
> 
> -- 
> Frank Swygert
> Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
> Magazine (AMC)
> For all AMC enthusiasts
> http://www.amc-mag.com
> (free download available!)
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:59:33 -0700
From: tom jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] quiet in here, 195.6 ohv cooling system
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Cool, thanks! That solves it.

I'm sure the raised-pressure is PSIG, over atmospheric, so your 16 lb cap
would raise the boiling point of pure water 16 * 3 = 48 degrees F, or 212 +
48 = 260F. Duh, I forgot, I could have just looked at the steam tables and
water info in my CRC physics book! Why didn't I think of that?!

So not bothering to compensate for glycol under pressure, a 13 lb cap with
50/50 would be 223F plus 39F = 262F boiling point, minimum.

(You sure as crap don't want to pop the cap open when the engine is hot. The
towtruck driver on my ill-fated tow home last month did that on his
overheated big diesel truck (the duma**). When I saw him start on the cap I
got back 20 feet. The cap zoomed straight up 20 feet and was lost until I
found it 30 minutes later. I distinctly remember the ONE time I popped a cap
on a hot engine, my '62 Ambo, when I was 18. Peeled the skin off my
shoulder. Lucky it wasn't my face and eyes.)

There's probably a reason why most coolant temp gauges are calibrated for
280 full scale!



On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> I found a chart for plain water. Each psi over 15 psi (atmospheric
> pressure) raises the boiling point by 3? (212?F at atmospheric pressure).
> BUT, anything added to water will increase the boiling point/decrease the
> freezing point. So the ethylene glycol has that effect too.
>
> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/boiling-point-water-d_926.html
>
> Check this Wikipedia article out! It has the boiling point vs.
> concentration of ethylene glycol (anti-freeze). Assuming that the boiling
> point is raised the same as water a 50/50 mix would boil at 225? + 3? for
> each psi over 15 psi (14.7 psi).
>
> So a 13 psi cap won't work -- I run a 16 or 17 psi cap, which only adds
> 3-6?. Somehow that doesn't sound right. I know some engine run around 250?
> without boiling over. Is a radiator cap rated at psi over atmospheric? Then
> a radiator would run 225? + 36? (261?) with a 13 psi cap and 50/50 mix...
> which sounds about right...
>
> ---------------------
> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:14:01 -0700
>
> From: tom jennings<tomj@xxxxxxx>
>
>
>>  " But 50/50 boils at 223F,
>>
>>  open air, or under the cap?
>>
>>
>>
> Oh right, 223F B.P. at atmospheric pressure. I can't seem to find a
> credible
> chart or formula for pressure vs. B.P.  but two random pages stated 48
> degrees increase in boiling point at 15psi.
>
> So coolant is NOT boiling in the head at 230F, so that is unlikely to be a
> problem.
>
> Still gotta find a chart or formula for this, but thanks Andrew!!
>
> --
> Frank Swygert
> Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
> Magazine (AMC)
> For all AMC enthusiasts
> http://www.amc-mag.com
> (free download available!)
>
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:16:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
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Eagle Wagon windshield replacement... looking for those clips.? 

Jesse 
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:43:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Fulton <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Rambler Nash Jeep and familyAMC <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Eagle Wagon Trim Clips
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Jesse, 
?
They are as near as you nearest auto parts store on the HELP rack.?? I think 
they are standard Ford clips, but take an old one with you to match it up.
?
Joe Fulton

--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-list] Eagle Wagon Trim Clips
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 5:16 PM


Eagle Wagon windshield replacement... looking for those clips.? 

Jesse 
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:05:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Eagle Wagon Trim Clips
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Those clips are at any auto parts store. I just replaced a windshield in an 
Eagle and got them at Auto Zone. They used a couple different styles, so bring 
the old ones......Russ


      


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