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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Caspers Motor finding knock- Sea Foam saved my day! (Ken Ames)
2. ruined in 60 seconds (tom jennings)
3. Re: ruined in 60 seconds (Ken Ames)
4. Re: ruined in 60 seconds (Joe Fulton)
5. Re: ruined in 60 seconds (Bruce Griffis)
6. Re: ruined in 60 seconds (tom jennings)
7. Last chance on '69 Rebel 4dr parts in Seattle (Jim Blair)
8. Re: Last chance on '69 Rebel 4dr parts in Seattle (masheen)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:27:55 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Caspers Motor finding knock- Sea Foam saved my
day!
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Sounds like they're fine once everything is properly oiled and up to
temperature. After startup some parts are warmer than others and they
don't
match up as well as one would like.
I've heard similar things about aero engines like the R-4360. They would
be fine
when shutdown but would have a problem when restarted.
Ken
Quoting Joe Fulton <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
I was an engineering officer on two diesel powered ships in the Navy.? I
learned to dread the first two or three hours underway.? If anything on
an
engine was going to fail, it was going to fail in that time period.?? Our
big
diesels could (and ofter did) run for weeks without ever being shut down,
but
let them sit in port for a few days, and almost invevitably you would go
through a vulnerable period?shortly after startup.?? That was the time
when
we were manuevring?in close quarters too, and it kept the?EOW oin his
toes.?
Other parts of the running gear could have problems any time (hot shaft
bearings, loss of vacuum in evaporators, etc.) but the engines seemed to
tell
you that they didn't like sitting idle.
?
Joe Fulton
--- On Fri, 4/23/10, Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Caspers Motor finding knock- Sea Foam saved my
day!
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 9:03 AM
Good thought on tracking down the cylinder!
Unfortunately all the 196 engines (except the aluminum model) have solid
lifters. Seafoam in the oil can certainly clean out hydraulic lifters and
get
them pumping again, but won't do a thing for the solids. If they make
noise
they just need adjusting! But you're right, things like engines and auto
trannys don't like sitting for ling periods of time without running.
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> From: "Jesse" <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 3:13:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>
> Many times you can determine which cylinder is having the issue by
> getting to the "knock range" in the RPM and then removing/reconnecting
> ?the plug wires one at a time to see if the noise stops at a
> particular cylinder.? Lot easier than breaking it all down and mic'ing
> it, though you may have to do that eventually.? I have more than once
> fixed "just that problem cylinder" and gone for years without further
> issues, though I realize that would make many cringe.?? Albeit these
> were not daily drivers or higg RPM race cars!?
> I recently bought an 88 Eagle Wagon that had been sitting for just 6
> months due to the PO not installing the starter properly.? This was a
> DAILY DRIVER until taht point.? WHen I started it, it had a LOUD
> lifter tick and some knocking as well.? I went and bought 2 cans of
> Sea Foam, put one in the oil and one in the fuel.? I told my bud I was
> driving it home and if it blew up, we'd just drop in another engine.?
> It literally got to where the car would not even do 30 MPH, smoking
> and knocking and shaking.? Then, all of a sudden it smoothed out and
> we did 70MPH all the way home and it runs great everytime now.?
> You've heard it all your life... mechnical items do not like sitting!
-- Frank Swygert
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:32:18 -0700
From: tom jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-list] ruined in 60 seconds
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Got time today, got it started, probably ruined it outright.
I had oil pressure no problem, I installed a pressure gauge under the
hood.
I started it from the cab, watching the tach (2000 - 2500) and stopwatch,
at
40 secs I noticed the oil light was on. Immediately turned off the engine,
found all the oil on the driveway and the crankcase dry. So it ran without
oil pressure long enough to pump out 4 - 5 quarts.
The gasket popped out of the oil filter on one side. I'm 101% certain it
was
installed correctly and tight enough, as I pre-filled the oil filter last
weekend and was very careful with it. I recall assembling it distinctly. I
am beyond certain about everything involving the external oiling.
If it was 2 - 10 secs I'd fix and press on, but I think it's too likely a
total loss. If so I'm basically screwed, as I'm broke and $2500 on a
credit
card to build the motor. That's it for 2010.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:38:11 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] ruined in 60 seconds
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With the oil light coming on at 40 seconds that would indicate that the
engine
had at least 5psi pressure until that time.
I'd try putting more oil in and restarting, listening for $carey sounds.
Ken
Quoting tom jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>:
Got time today, got it started, probably ruined it outright.
I had oil pressure no problem, I installed a pressure gauge under the
hood.
I started it from the cab, watching the tach (2000 - 2500) and stopwatch,
at
40 secs I noticed the oil light was on. Immediately turned off the
engine,
found all the oil on the driveway and the crankcase dry. So it ran
without
oil pressure long enough to pump out 4 - 5 quarts.
The gasket popped out of the oil filter on one side. I'm 101% certain it
was
installed correctly and tight enough, as I pre-filled the oil filter last
weekend and was very careful with it. I recall assembling it distinctly.
I
am beyond certain about everything involving the external oiling.
If it was 2 - 10 secs I'd fix and press on, but I think it's too likely a
total loss. If so I'm basically screwed, as I'm broke and $2500 on a
credit
card to build the motor. That's it for 2010.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:42:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Fulton <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Rambler Nash Jeep and familyAMC <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] ruined in 60 seconds
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I know you are disgusted but stop, walk away from it and get your
equalibrium back.? Then you can investigate it with a clear head.?? Don't
get out the sledgehammer yet.
?
?
Joe Fulton
--- On Fri, 4/23/10, tom jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx> wrote:
From: tom jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-list] ruined in 60 seconds
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 12:32 PM
Got time today, got it started, probably ruined it outright.
I had oil pressure no problem, I installed a pressure gauge under the
hood.
I started it from the cab, watching the tach (2000 - 2500) and stopwatch,
at
40 secs I noticed the oil light was on. Immediately turned off the engine,
found all the oil on the driveway and the crankcase dry. So it ran without
oil pressure long enough to pump out 4 - 5 quarts.
The gasket popped out of the oil filter on one side. I'm 101% certain it
was
installed correctly and tight enough, as I pre-filled the oil filter last
weekend and was very careful with it. I recall assembling it distinctly. I
am beyond certain about everything involving the external oiling.
If it was 2 - 10 secs I'd fix and press on, but I think it's too likely a
total loss. If so I'm basically screwed, as I'm broke and $2500 on a
credit
card to build the motor. That's it for 2010.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:42:32 -0400
From: Bruce Griffis <bruce.griffis@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] ruined in 60 seconds
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Tom - I'm at a loss for words. I'b be devastated. Hope it isn't a
total loss, and hope you can get in and see what's going on.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:04:36 -0700
From: tom jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] ruined in 60 seconds
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It appears that the oil pressure went insanely high. I was worried about
oil
pressure loss (my plumbing, etc) but I just went out and looked at my oil
gauge -- the pointer is on the wrong side of the stop! Eg. it broke
internally after pegging past maximum.
That would explain why a loop of the oil filter gasket exited it's groove
while installed -- it just plain old got pushed out.
It's small comfort knowing it's not my work that failed (yet anyways).
I should have smelled a rat -- I had 20+ psi cranking. I chalked that up
to
a new, tight motor. I think the bearings are assembled wrong or something
(I
didn't do that). The machine shop assembled the short block.
Yeah, no sledgehammers, I'm just bummed out.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:46:18 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-list] Last chance on '69 Rebel 4dr parts in Seattle
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Front clip, 290 motor, rad, and rear axle as well as dash are spoken for.
Other parts are available until I load it on the scrap trailer probably
next week. Rear quarters will be cut off to sell as they are rustfree.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:54:59 -0400
From: "masheen" <masheen@xxxxxxx>
To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Last chance on '69 Rebel 4dr parts in Seattle
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By chance, does this car share the same hood hinge spring as a '70? I'm
in
need of a pair. In fact, would someone please tell me what years and
models
this spring was used on so I can broaden my search? Thanks much!
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