Re: [AMC-list] [BaadAssGremlins] Re: eagle dies at stops signs/lights

[tom jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>]

Is the smog stuff under the hood still intact and in good repair? Because i
those years, there's a small vent line from the tank that runs to an
anti-tipover valve inside the rear wheel arch (under a steel shield, you
might not even know it's there) then  (up the drivers side, I think) into
the charcoal canister. The charcoal canister is vented into the air cleaner
or something.

If that line is plugged (or pinched, etc) then yeah, the tank will build
pressure when hot, or vacuum, when cool, and the car will "run out of gas"
until you take off the filler cap and WOOSH air rushes in.

I got a '75 Gremlin *CALIFORNIA* 304v8 car running 100% with every single
smog device intact and it ran just great. The CA-only v8 EGR valve cost me
$100, other than that it was cheep. No one want's that stuff, but I tell ya,
when tweaked up right it not only doesn't interfere, it does make it run
better.

The problem with all that crap is, it's a bear to KEEP right, because it's
all "open loop" hoses and kludgey little valves and such. Modern closed-loop
stuff is a lot easier.

The charcoal canister system hurts nothing, and does keep stinky gas fumes
out of the air. Never did buy a new one though, I just ran the old one, so I
suppose it wasn't doing much besides routing fumes into the air cleaner. But
that car never stunk of gas.



On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:25, Eddie Stakes <
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hmm....also helpful but this is new out of box carb, so not sure it would
> apply, it might, just not sure. I do however wish to note that the gas tank
> cap behind the license plate seems to build up some pressure. I mentioned
> this to the O'Reillys guy when picking up other stuff today and he said
> there should not be any pressure as not hot day. But I smelled gas, and
> remembered my 82 Eagle used to build up pressure like that and for like of
> me, can't remember how I remedied it ten years ago and still drive the 82
> with 210K miles on it. But I did stop at Wal Mart to check on some Hot
> wheels (none) AMXs, and twisted off gas cap and WHOOOOSH! came back at me.
> It did same in the 2 mile jaunt home also, but not as bad. Suggestions
> comments appreciated between dehumidifying the  house and pulling up carpet
> for 2nd day in row in effort to save hardwood floors!
> Eddie Stakes
> 713.464.8825
> eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.planethoustonamx.com
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Henry Hultquist
>  To: BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:20 PM
>  Subject: Re: [BaadAssGremlins] Re: eagle dies at stops signs/lights
>
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>
>  The Ball and Ball (or is it Ball and Stall) carb just seems to be trouble
> I had an Eagle that stalled at every stop light, especially if I had to stop
> in a hurry.  Check this out, I think I first saw it on a jeep site, but it
> is on (ahem) Planet Houston AMX.
>
>
>  http://www.planethoustonamx.com/main/amc_carter_carb_fix.htm
>
>
>  Onree in Nebraska
>
>
>
>
>  On Apr 27, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Eddie Stakes wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>    Hi Jimn and thanks tot all who have replied so far, a lot of excellent
>    advise. Here is what I have replaced:
>    New carb $250
>    New ignition module $70
>    spark plugs
>    rotor
>    cap
>    It runs great but still conks out for no reason sometimes, most recently
>    today.
>
>    I was driving along I-10 feeder road and it felt like it sort of lost
> power,
>    then regained compusure.
>    On top of the manifold directly behind the power steering unit something
>    that screws into the intake from top and a wire goes into it. The unit
> is
>    broken, not sure what it might be, maybe O2 sensor?
>
>    In back of the breather there is two provisions for something that on my
>    other 88 Eagle; has two emission tubes. These are not hooked up to
> anything
>    and looking under car there is nothing to hook them up to if they were
>    there, in other words, they were bypassed at some point.
>
>    The car seems to have lots of pep with 78K miles. It is just that this
>    sputtering sometimes or outright dying is annoying. Someone else
> mentioned
>    it is something in the steering column, somehting I have not heard
> before.
>
>    So slowly will figure this out, and again, thanks to all who have
> replied on
>    the various lists, keep ideas coming,
>    Eddie Stakes
>    713.464.8825
>    eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>    www.planethoustonamx.com
>
>    ----- Original Message -----
>    From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>    To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Eddie Stakes"
>    <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>    Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:09 PM
>    Subject: RE: [AMC-list] eagle dies at stops signs/lights
>
>    I've had that stalling problem with my Spirit (and Eagles and Jeeps)
> several
>    times too.
>
>    First it was the carb being loose (grab ahold of the body of the carb
>    with the aircleaner off and see if you can twist it. If the answer is
> yes,
>    pop it off and re-tighten the main body screws up from the bottom and
> the
>    other 2 from the top. Replace base gasket and don't bang carb upside
> down!
>    That will mess with the float level). The weight of the air cleaner,
> which
>    is held down only by the air cleaner stud, rocks back and forth and
> loosens
>    the screws.
>
>    Then the stepper motor was sticking (cleaned it out with throttle body
>    cleaner. NOTE: Do NOT use WD40 or anything else with silicon lube in it!
>    That will kill the O2 sensor that makes the BBD function properly and
> will
>    cost you fuel economy. If you don't have the stepper, then it doesn't
>    matter)
>
>    Then the rust in the gas tank clogged up the carb, filters, etc. I took
>    the top off the carb, reset the float and sprayed everything clean along
>    with a new filter. (I had to do it twice more before I added another
> inline
>    filter and sediment bowl before the fuel pump)
>
>    The car got hard to start when cold and it puzzled me as the choke was
>    perfect. Found out the rust had eaten (or jammed) the valves in the fuel
>    pump and allowed the fuel to go back to the tank after shut off. New
> fuel
>    pump and fresh pre-filter again. (I recently cured that rust problem
> with a
>    good used replacement fuel tank, but now it needs a sending unit as I
> was
>    lubing my old one and accidentally dropped it. Now it only reads full to
> 3/4
>    tank)
>
>    I've had a few other things happen before too. Ignition module going
>    south was one. With the motor warmed up, smack the Motorcraft module
> with a
>    rubber mallet. If the car shuts off, replace the module.
>
>    Another was a torque converter going bad. Put the car in forward gear
> and
>    even the slightest gas would make it stall. Worked fine in reverse. The
> fix
>    was to drop the valve body and plug off the line to the lockup converter
> (S
>    shaped tube on top of '77ish and newer Mopar style trans) with a large
> BB.
>    That defeats the lockup, doesn't cost much (except time, a trans service
>    kit, a BB and the seal for the shifter linkage shaft. The linkage has to
> be
>    removed and re-adjusted to work properly when done. I highly suggest
>    pressure washing to degrease the driver's side of the trans before
> working
>    on it)
>
>    As for the Nutter Bypass, a google search will show it on may sites
>    including my own old one at Geocities. (photos got messed up with mine)
>
>    Loud internal noises can cause the knock sensor (which is really just a
>    microphone tuned to certain sound wavelength) to radically retard timing
> and
>    can cause stalling too.
>
>    From: "Eddie Stakes"
>    Subject: [AMC-list] eagle dies at stops signs/lights
>    To: , ,
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>    Somewhere on the Eagle nest forum, there is/was a thread about AMC Eagle
>    dying for no reason at stop signs and stop lights. Always cranked right
> back
>    up no problem, but more of a annoyance than anything. For some reason I
>    thought it had something to do with carb, but unsure. Anyone remember
> the
>    link or thread about that feel free to post it here so I can go check it
>    out, to troubleshoot a Eagle. Thanks in advance to all who might reply.
>    Eddie Stakes
>    713.464.8825
>    eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>    www.planethoustonamx.com
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