Re: [AMC-list] cash for clunkers

[Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

IIRC the Saturn was originally envisioned as a "component" replaceable car.
The idea was to sell parts in blocks.
Instead of a rotor or brakes you bought a complete strut assembly, etc,
The idea being the parts could be designed to have about the same life span.
Replacing that way allows the individual components to be recycled from specialized centers for each assembly.

While we grouse and complain about these laws.
In reality most people will need forced to comply with a "no more new car every two years" law.

How many people think that any used car is a no-no.
Oh,my there must be something wrong with that! Else why would they get rid of it?

The original Saturn body was so very close to totally rebuidable.
You can reskin the car, making it appear as new even.



Mark Price
Morgantown, WV 26508
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II
"I realize that death is inevitable.
I just don't want to be around when it happens!"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandwich Maker" <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:17:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] cash for clunkers

" From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
" 
" The idea that an entire car could be recycled AS a car again got
" me to wondering about cost and such a few years ago.  I did a bit
" of research (admittedly with a lot of "guesstimates" for some
" pricing, but based on reasonable research) on that.  The goal was
" to take a fairly common mass-market car like the GM A body (82-96
" Chevy Celebrity, Pontiac 6000, Olds Ciera/Cutlass Cruiser, Buick
" Century) and totally rebuild them into like-new cars.
" []
" 
" The problem was cost.  What you'd end up with is a remanufactured
" mid size car for the cost of a brand new small car.

that's still a win in size for dollar, and public perception can be
very blind.  if 'common knowledge' circulates that 'they're not quite
reliable' [as i'm sure new-car dealers would try], customers would
stay away in droves; but if that doesn't happen i'd bet most
prospective customers wouldn't realize the cars were recycled unless
and until you told them.

many of todays cars seem scarcely designed for repair, but disposal is
certainly off the maker's radar; after the car leaves their factory
it's no longer their problem.  economic success might require cars
designed for recycling and/or remanufacture from the start, and it
might require an industry less focused on replacing 'old' cars with
new.  that's where the eu 'green' law would provide motivation - force
makers to include disposal costs in their prices.  design for
remanufacture would partially cannibalize new-car sales but it could
be the cheapest way to dispose of old cars.  otoh on a really large
scale the same assembly plants could be reused, after cars were
dismembered and components rebuilt.

this is an interesting idea though, and much farther than i'd thought
of taking it.  what i had in mind was just design for disassembly and
materials recovery - eg. recyclable plastics vs. plastic alloys that
can only be buried, burned, or [maybe] run through the refinery again
- to minimize labor and landfill impact in car disposal.
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