Re: [Amc-list] Finally got the T96 out of the 62 Classic - now aquestion

["oldcars@xxxxxxxxx" <oldcars@xxxxxxxxx>]

Frank, 

   I had a good look and found that the front seal of the T96 seems to have
failed, and that is the source of the grease all over the gearbox and a lot
of the undercarriage. 

   The squarish torque tube seal at the back of the tailshaft housing was
fine - very well sealed.

   I believe that I can use a parking brake adjuster bracket from another
car. From spending time beneath Studebakers, I am pretty sure that they
have a virtually identical part, if I can't find one that is nearly
identical. 

   I did disconnect the Panhard rod and the shocks. 

   I may end up using the bellhousing from the 67, but still need to find a
way to make a mount. I did find some interesting brackets from Danchuk,
which is a Tri-5 Chevy specialist, and may end up trying to use their
transmission-to-crossmember brackets to secure the 67 bell onto the
transmission crossmember. 

   I believe that I will still try to mount the 67 199 onto the middle
(suspension) crossmember. I do see that if I can make adaptors, perhaps
from some billet steel or a couple layers of plate stock, I can avoid
having to weld in the stepup brackets from the 77 Hornet parts car I have.
I have noted that the 62 crossmember is almost entirely flat, while the 77
Hornet has its mounts at what looks to be a 120-degree angle, and the
Hornet mounts are tilted higher in front than in the back. 

   I suppose I will have to work all the details of the front mounts out
first, leaving the 62 bellhousing in place and bolting the 67 199 up to it.
That way I will know that the rear face of the bellhousing will be in the
right place, so that when the 67 gearbox bolts up to it, the 62 tailshaft
housing will be in the right place to bolt up to the torque tube.    

    I may yet try to move the guts out of the 67 over to the 62 case, and
have got replacement seals from NAPA, but am none to sure about my ability
to swap over all the internal components.

    Does anyone have parts books for both 62 and 67, and if so, can anyone
confirm that the internals are the same?

Keep on Ramblin!

Jim

Original Message:
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From: Frank Swygert farna@xxxxxxx
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:23:49 -0500
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Finally got the T96 out of the 62 Classic - now
aquestion


I edited your reply a good bit, just leaving what I intended to comment on. 
The grease splattered behind the trans is a bit unusual for a torque tube
car. It appears that maybe the tube wasn't bolted up to the trans tight?
There's a thick rubber cushion between the tube and trans adapter. It's not
really a seal, but a cushion. The tube presses the cushion between the tube
and adapter so that the tube can flex -- the flange on the tube isn't
welded to the tube itself, it rides loosely on it, with the cushion glued
to it holding it on (when it's not bolted up). I'm pretty sure 62 was the
first year for that type tube anyway. The older on had two large bolts, one
on each side, and a round overlapping joint at the swivel point. The type I
described has four bolts holding the flange on. 

The park brake lever under the car is pretty simple. If you can't find one
close enough it wouldn't be hard to make one from thin steel. Any welding
shop should be able to do that. 

The flex hoses are old and should be replaced anyway! So maybe it's a good
thing you had to cut them. They are pretty standard hoses, though the parts
store may not have a listing for Ramblers. Get a later model AMC hose, the
connections are the same. For that matter a Ford hose will fit also, and
maybe even other makes up through the early 80s (until some started using
metric). Brake hoses are pretty standard across the board. 

Neat trick with the axle! I do hope you disconnected the shocks and panhard
rod. If not, you probably bent them when you moved the car forward, so
check them out when putting it back together. 

Since the 62 still uses four point engine mounts and the trans just hangs
off the bell housing (doesn't support the engine) I think your idea should
work fine. All the lower bolts will be doing is preventing the trans from
bouncing upward when you hit a bump or put on brakes. You could also make
some steel straps or use 1/8" cable in the lower mount holes and anchor the
straps/cables to the bell housing. The shifter side might not take a strap,
but a cable could be run behind the shifter arms. 


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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 23:36:15 -0500
From: "oldcars@xxxxxxxxx" <oldcars@xxxxxxxxx>

I finally got the jammed T-96 out today. There was grease splattered in 
a pattern behind the trans, more on the passenger side, but still pretty 
well all under the car especially in a line with the trans. 

First, I had to figure out how to get the parking brake cable loose. I 
ended up deciding to waste the stamped steel boomerang-shaped tensioner, 
and cut it out with a Dremel. I think that the tensioners should be pretty 
well generic...it looks almost identical to a similar Studebaker part, and 
I may have a similar part elsewhere. I figure now that it is loose, I can 
either crank off the rusted nut on the front cable, or maybe resort to a 
nut cracker. 

Then I realized that the rear flex hose had to go. 

Then came the tricky part: how to move the car body forward without 
moving the axle. I chocked the wheels, and then very carefully drove my 88 
Dakota right up behind the Rambler - the bumper heights matched. Very 
gently, I pushed the Rambler with the Dak. I had to do it a couple times to
get the shaft separated far enough from the trans housing. 

Having both of them out, I have come to think that it may be possible 
to use the 1967 gearbox with the 62 bell by simply bolting up the upper 
bolts, and making sure that the input shaft retainer fits into the hole in 
the housing. As for the lower bolts, the 67 has a lip on the front face of 
the trans, so I am thinking that the standard bolts which hold the trans to 
the bellhousing could be used together with washers, in order to grab on to 
the lip, and thereby provide the 4 attachment points. 



-- 
Frank Swygert
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