Re: [Amc-list] Amc-list Digest, Vol 22, Issue 14 AMC parts for sale

[Joe <jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx>]

Do you still have the Torker and the Crane Cam?? Thanks,Joe


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>    1. Re: OT: Removing 91 Grand caravan windshield (Ken
> Ames)
>    2. Re: OT: Removing 91 Grand caravan windshield
>       (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx)
>    3. Re: LPG 258 (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx)
>    4. More AMC V8 Perf. Parts for sale - MI (Greg Taylor)
>    5. Re: T5z (Armand Eshleman)
>    6. Re: dirty bottoms..was...Slipping clutch,	adjustable?
> Or
>       transmission shop time? (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx)
>    7. Re: OT: Removing 91 Grand caravan windshield
>       (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:38:01 -0600
> From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] OT: Removing 91 Grand caravan
> windshield
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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> 
> I tried those L-blades and never had much luck. Better was
> a 'surplus' hood
> release cable to cut the butyl. 
> 
> Would the Caravan have just butyl or is it one of the newer
> styles where the
> windshield is a structural part of the car? Those have more
> difficult
> install/removals.
> 
> Ken 
> 
> 
> Quoting Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > It's tough to get them without breaking them. My
> middle son Bill does them
> > and seems to average only 1/2 the time with those in
> the junkyard. He bought
> > a tool that has an L shaped blade on a handle and a
> cable that allows you to
> > pull it along with both hands for control.
> > 
> > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep
> J10, '84 Jeep J10
> > 
> > From: "Jamie Smith" 
> > Subject: [Amc-list] OT: Removing 91 Grand caravan
> windshield
> > To: 
> > Message-ID: 
> > Content-Type: text/plain;
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> > 
> > Ok this may be kind of stupid question. I have a 91
> dodge grand caravan that
> > I am parting out. I have been looking through the
> Haynes manual to see how to
> > take apart stuff that does not have an obviously easy
> deconstruction method.
> > I have never had the opportunity to remove the
> windshield from a vehicle this
> > new and want to remove it in one uncracked piece. I
> looked in the Haynes
> > manual for removal instructions and it basically says
> "Have a professional do
> > it".
> > 
> > So, my question is. Other than having a professional
> do it, how do you remove
> > the windshield from a 91 Dodge Grand Caravan without
> breaking or cracking
> > it?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > Jamie Smith
> > 
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:39:06 +0000
> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] OT: Removing 91 Grand caravan
> windshield
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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> 
> It can be a royal PIA with the new Adhesives being
> strutural!
> I'd not bother unless I had a buyer. or one of those
> vehicles that may need it.
> So many people have good glass coverage on their insurance
> and reselling a used windshield can be a real crapshoot.
> Plus the fact of storage and an inexperienced remover often
> breaks the windshield getting it out!
>    If it does work and it comes out in one piece and not
> damaged, tape the edges with a cloth tape to protect them.
> One chip and the windshield is basically toast as it will
> crack from that point at some time in the future, almost
> 100% of the time.
> 
> --
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II
> " I realize that death is inevitable.
> I just don't want to be around when it happens! "
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > I have not done it, but two people, two vice grips,
> and a piece of piano
> > wire, etc between them is supposed to work.
> > 
> > Jeff Bohler
> > St Louis, Mo
> > 1970 Javelin 390 4-speed
> > 
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> >              10/06/2008 11:22          Grand caravan
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> > 
> > 
> > It's tough to get them without breaking them. My
> middle son Bill does them
> > and seems to average only 1/2 the time with those in
> the junkyard. He
> > bought a tool that has an L shaped blade on a handle
> and a cable that
> > allows you to pull it along with both hands for
> control.
> > 
> > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep
> J10, '84 Jeep J10
> > 
> > From: "Jamie Smith"
> > Subject: [Amc-list] OT: Removing 91 Grand caravan
> windshield
> > To:
> > Message-ID:
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> > 
> > Ok this may be kind of stupid question. I have a 91
> dodge grand caravan
> > that I am parting out. I have been looking through the
> Haynes manual to see
> > how to take apart stuff that does not have an
> obviously easy deconstruction
> > method. I have never had the opportunity to remove the
> windshield from a
> > vehicle this new and want to remove it in one
> uncracked piece. I looked in
> > the Haynes manual for removal instructions and it
> basically says "Have a
> > professional do it".
> > 
> > So, my question is. Other than having a professional
> do it, how do you
> > remove the windshield from a 91 Dodge Grand Caravan
> without breaking or
> > cracking it?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > Jamie Smith
> > 
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:41:50 +0000
> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] LPG 258
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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> No, I Meant small bore and was comparing to the 4.0L.
> Too me there are only the two bore sizes!
>  If I was into the 196 I'd have to reconsider! :]
> 
> --
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II
> " I realize that death is inevitable.
> I just don't want to be around when it happens! "
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Glen Hoag <hoag@xxxxxx>
> > Mark,
> > Small bore six?  You mean short stroke.  All
> 199/232/258 sixes have a 
> > bore of 3.75".  Unless you're comparing it to
> the 4.0L bore of 3.875"
> > 
> > --Glen
> > 
> > At 10:13 AM 10/3/2008, you wrote:
> > >I have a set of used standard bore 199 flat tops
> if anyone is into 
> > >the small bore six and wants them.
> > >$10 for packing them and whatever actual shipping
> costs. They are 
> > >still on the rods, but I don't have caps for
> the rods anymore. They 
> > >wandered off somewhere.
> > >
> > >--
> > >Mark Price
> > >Morgantown, WV
> > >1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> > >2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II
> > >" I realize that death is inevitable.
> > >I just don't want to be around when it
> happens! "
> > >
> > >  -------------- Original message
> ----------------------
> > >From: Greg Taylor <amundaza@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > I just remembered that Matt Kievit here in
> Michigan adapted Ford 
> > > 2300cc Pinto
> > > > pistons into his 258, with a 258 head for a
> serious compression 
> > > ratio.  He was
> > > > running around 0.035" squish between
> piston and head.  It was a 
> > > really sweet
> > > > motor.  He had the ford pistons machined out
> to accept AMC wrist pins.
> > > >
> > > > The 199 flat tops or 290 flat top pistons
> would be good.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Greg Taylor :) <><
> > > > Rochester Hills, MI
> > > > 1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer "TRMN8R2"
> > > >
> > > > And the testimony is this, that God has
> given us eternal life, 
> > > and this life is
> > > > in His Son. He who has the Son has the life;
> he who does not have 
> > > the Son of God
> > > > does not have the life. - 1 John 5:11-12
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 10/2/08, Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> > > <Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
> <Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Amc-list] LPG 258
> > > > To: hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, "AMC/Rambler
> owners, drivers and fans."
> > > > <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 8:52 PM
> > > >
> > > > A lot less milling if you slip a set of flat
> top 199 pistons in 
> > > there first!
> > > > I think we spec'd out about 10.5-1 with
> the 199 flattops and a 4.0L head in
> > > > basically stock heights.
> > > >
> > > > I believe you can use a chevy 250 six piston
> in a 4.0L block to 
> > > get around the
> > > > 11 or 12-1 range too.
> > > > Again, not positive of the exact needs to
> accomplish this. But heard it is
> > > > doable.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mark Price
> > > > Morgantown, WV
> > > > 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> > > > 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac
> II
> > > > " I realize that death is inevitable.
> > > > I just don't want to be around when it
> happens! "
> > > >
> > > >  -------------- Original message
> ----------------------
> > > > From: Brien Tourville
> <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >
> > > > > LPG runs best with high compression -
> so -
> > > > > a 4.0 7120 head to a stock '81 258
> > > > > would require roughly how much shaving
> > > > > to accomplish 11 to 1 compression ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:54:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Greg Taylor <amundaza@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amc-list] More AMC V8 Perf. Parts for sale - MI
> To: AMC-LIST <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, FSJ-List
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> For those of you that expressed interest in some of these
> parts, prices have been adjusted on the link below.? Thanks!
> 
> Sincerely, 
> Greg Taylor :) <>< 
> Rochester Hills, MI
> 1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer "TRMN8R2"
> 
> And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal
> life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has
> the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have
> the life. - 1 John 5:11-12
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Greg Taylor <amundaza@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> From: Greg Taylor <amundaza@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: More AMC V8 Perf. Parts & FSJ Parts for sale -
> MI
> To: "AMC-LIST" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> "FSJ-List" <FSJ-List@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 9:29 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hey guys,
> Been cleaning up the garage to get the Grand Wagoneer?in
> for the stroker build up. Got more parts up for grabs.
> Here's the list ... and link to pics & prices.
> ?
> 1) NEW Pair of polished aluminum V8 valve covers, with
> gaskets.
> 
> 2) Used V8 Air Cleaner with AMSOIL performance foam filter.
> -- NOTE:? Flapper asm has been removed (hot air asm still
> there).
> 
> 3) NEW Crane Powermax cam for AMC V8 (p/n 863941).
> 0.484" intake lift : 272* duration
> 0.512" exhaust lift : 284* duration
> Full specs are here ... --> CLICK ME <--
> 
> 4) NEW Milodon Oil pan with External pickup line &
> Bulltear remote filter plate.
> -- Comes with New Pan, New Canton pickup, New in-line
> filter.
> -- New braided line & fitting to new bulltear plate,
> new fasteners.
> -- New run, just mocked up on a 360
> 
> 5) NEW SFI-rated 401 Flexplate.
> 
> 6) Used A.I.R. Injection tubes for V8.
> -- One tube needs to be MIG welded because it's loose.?
> Others are great.
> 
> 7) Used Edelbrock Torker intake for 1970-91 AMC V8.
> -- In very good condition & comes with intake baffle
> installed
> 
> 8) Used Tan FSJ center armrest from 1991 GW.
> -- Decent shape, could use some cleaning.
> ?
> Here's a link to the list with prices and pics.
> ?
> http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?p=816453
> ?
> Thanks.
> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:58:11 -0500
> From: "Armand Eshleman"
> <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] T5z
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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> yes, I have done this swap on a Frost White 1970 Javelin.
> With the correct
> bellhousing, a different or new drive shaft, correct
> linkages for clutch,
> and a little trans mount fabricating, you got yourself a
> T5.
> 
> Don NOT, I repeat, Do NOT machine the bell housing.
> It's way easier to
> machine the input shaft and bearing cover on the
> transmission.
> 
> Do a Goolge search for AMC T5 swap or something and you
> will find a page
> written by Mr. John Elle. The quintessential expert on the
> T5 swap.
> 
> or keep asking me questions or other fellows on this list
> who have done the
> swap, we'll coach you.
> 
> Armand
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Canada" <gcanada@xxxxxxxxx>
> 
> 
> 
> > Hi guys, does any body know if a Borg Warner T5Z for
> 1985 to 93 Mustang
> would fit a AMC T5 bellhousing and be a good candidate for
> a swap?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:07:40 +0000
> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] dirty bottoms..was...Slipping
> clutch,
> 	adjustable? Or transmission shop time?
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
> <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
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> 
> 
> That reminds me, I need to push the convert outside and
> pressure wash the engine bay and underneath good before
> winter sets in!
> I've wiped it down a time or two, but it really needs a
> good high pressure blast!
>    I'm hoping I'll get some progress made on the
> thing this year!
> 
> One doctor down, got a second appt in 45 minutes to see my
> ortho guy!
> Got lucky he had a cancellation, 2:45 this afternoon or
> December!
> I don't figure he will be any help at all, at least I
> got a script for stronger Lortabs to hold me off for a
> while.
> The PCP wants me to talk to the ortho again.
> 
> As far as the cars go.
> I'll keep doing the work with in my limits and take a
> pill thing if I have to .
> Sure would be nice to have an answer to what is causing
> this though!
> --
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II
> " I realize that death is inevitable.
> I just don't want to be around when it happens! "
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> 
> > PS: Get $15 (or more) worth of quarters and go to one
> of those wand type 
> > car washes, put it on RINSE, put the wand 1" from
> the metal, and remove 
> > as much crud as you can from the chassis. You'll
> get wet and grubby. You 
> > won't regret doing that!
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:11:49 +0000
> From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] OT: Removing 91 Grand caravan
> windshield
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
> <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> 
> yeah, I left the windshield go in the 73 Hornet because of
> the hassle of getting it out.
> I always save the older gasketed ones though.
> The're way to easy to get out to let go!
> I now have two American windshileds in storage I will never
> use!
> They are too worn for my tastes now.
> I really wish I'd have had the money to spring for a
> new one when I built the American!
> Now, it is sealed so darn well, I hate to disturb it,
> One leak and it's out of there :]
> 
> --
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II
> " I realize that death is inevitable.
> I just don't want to be around when it happens! "
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > 
> > It's tough to get them without breaking them. My
> middle son Bill does them and 
> > seems to average only 1/2 the time with those in the
> junkyard. He bought a tool 
> > that has an L shaped blade on a handle and a cable
> that allows you to pull it 
> > along with both hands for control.
> > 
> > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep
> J10, '84 Jeep J10
> > 
> > From: "Jamie Smith" 
> > Subject: [Amc-list] OT: Removing 91 Grand caravan
> windshield
> > To: 
> > Message-ID: 
> > Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> > 
> > Ok this may be kind of stupid question. I have a 91
> dodge grand caravan that I 
> > am parting out. I have been looking through the Haynes
> manual to see how to take 
> > apart stuff that does not have an obviously easy
> deconstruction method. I have 
> > never had the opportunity to remove the windshield
> from a vehicle this new and 
> > want to remove it in one uncracked piece. I looked in
> the Haynes manual for 
> > removal instructions and it basically says "Have
> a professional do it".
> > 
> > So, my question is. Other than having a professional
> do it, how do you remove 
> > the windshield from a 91 Dodge Grand Caravan without
> breaking or cracking it?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > Jamie Smith
> > 
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