Re: [Amc-list] Engine Interchange, 58 Rambler American

[msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx]

Last time I needed a 96-down AW4, I bougth a *new* Toyota-spec'd A340 for $300.


-Spro

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx 

> To all this I respond. 
> B.S. 
> try and get the AW4 built local... 
> Go ahead and try, unless your one of the lucky few your going to be doing a 
> tranny mail order. 
> Ever have a problem with a mail order assembly? 
> Yeah, sure that'll be fun.... 
> Ring, ring, "uh, Hi, this built AW4 you sent me don't shift correctly". 
> What's that? 
> Oh, "Ok, I'll pull it out and send it back" .... 
> 
> 99% of the trannie shops out there won't even look into an AW4. 
> 
> Yeah the trans is good, I agree on that. In stock form I's use one instantly. 
> 300,000miles of life. 
> 
> 700 series are Torque sucking monsters? yeah sure and what automatic isn't? 
> 
> Want to not suck torque? grab a shift lever and push the clutch pedal. 
> 
> From that price list you got sitting there it looks like yer going to drop about 
> $3K on an AW4 trans... 
> 
> If I'm dropping $3K on a trans I'm not putting a 4cyl in front of it anyway. 
> 
> Properely built turbos boost by 2500 rpm? 
> Sounds good, but 
> Ever watch a tach in traffic? 
> The higher that first gear the longer it takes to hit 2500 rpm. PERIOD. 
> 
> I would not use a 700 series trans in most anything, usualy, but when building a 
> hypothetical early American. 
> I make an exception. 
> 
> I like AW4's in Jeeps and cars for drivers, their solid long lasting trans, but 
> they have some stupid out of the box features. 
> No means of selecting individual gears without electronics is just plain dumb. 
> PRND21 , seems dumb... is dumb. 
> 
> nuff said 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Price 
> Morgantown, WV 
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5 
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II 
> " Chronic Pain Hurts" 
> 
> -------------- Original message ---------------------- 
> From: Brien Tourville 
> > Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Engine Interchange, 58 Rambler American 
> > To: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yeah, factory Jeep parts, but with a blown 4 cyl I'd still move to the 700 
> based 
> > trans. 
> > Not so much for anything other then the low first gear to get it rolling and 
> up 
> > on boost quick. 
> > The AW4 does not have the torque multiplication and low gear of the 700 series 
> > trans. 
> > You'll not get the AW4 to shift as hard as a built 700 either. Nor will you 
> get 
> > the backing of the after market the 700 has. 
> > Believe me I stay AMC when possible, but in this instance I'd move to the 
> > 700R4 or 4L60E. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Mark Price 
> > Morgantown, WV 
> > 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5 
> > 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II 
> > " Chronic Pain Hurts" 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > .. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The clap trap over 700r trannies is "Chronic Horse Hockey", 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Are they planning to run quicker than 9.99 in the quarter mile in this '58 
> > Rambler ? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > *IPT Performance Transmissions* Torque Converters and Transmission 
> > *...* 
> > 
> > Racing performance automatic transmissions, performance transmission 
> > parts and high stall torque converters for GM, Chevy, Ford, JEEP, 
> > Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, *...* 
> > www.importperformancetrans.com 
> > *TOYOTA / LEXUS PERFORMANCE AUTOMATICS* 
> > *ES300, GS300, GS400, GS430, IS300, LS 400, LS430, LX450, LX470, RX300, 
> > RX330, SC300, SC400, SUPRA, CAMRY, 4 RUNNER, CELICA, LAND CRUISER, 
> > TACOMA, T100, RAV 4, TUNDRA, JEEP AW4, ISUZU 30-40LE* 
> > 
> > *FRONT WHEEL DRIVE* 
> > 
> > * Valve body is custom calibrated to provide firm, positive shifts 
> > * High performance pressure regulator boost valve is installed to 
> > prevent sluggish line pressure rise 
> > * Extra clutches are installed 
> > * Modified solenoid assemblies are installed 
> > * New one-way clutches/sprags are installed 
> > * Lube system is redesigned for increased flow and cooler operation 
> > * New flat bearings are installed in all locations 
> > 
> > A140E/L: *$2850* 
> > A240/A241E: *$3075* 
> > A540H (89-93 V6): *$2950* 
> > A541E (94-up V6): *$3375* U140, U240, U245, etc : *$3375* 
> > *Please call or email us to order a complete transmission.* 
> > IPT has performance parts, torque converters and custom transmissions 
> > for Toyota and Lexus vehicles 
> > 
> > *REAR WHEEL DRIVE / 4 WHEEL DRIVE* 
> > 
> > * Valve body is custom calibrated to provide the ultimate in clutch 
> > application power and clamping force (The modifications performed 
> > by us are a proprietary design and are unavailable elsewhere) 
> > * Virtually indestructible Raybestos Blue Plates are installed in 
> > all shifting clutches 
> > * *NEW FEATURE* We have now developed the industry's only 6 friction 
> > disk C-2 clutch pack for a 50% increase in third gear holding 
> > capacity. 
> > * New one way clutches (sprags) are installed in all locations 
> > * Planetary splines are heat treated to prevent stripping 
> > * Metalax treatment is applied to input shaft to eliminate stress 
> > related failure 
> > * Sun shell is heat treated to prevent spline stripping 
> > * New design high flow solenoid assemblies are installed 
> > * Lube system is redesigned to provide increased flow and cooler 
> > operation 
> > * Performance pressure regulator boost valve is installed to prevent 
> > sluggish line pressure rise and to increase clutch holding ability. 
> > 
> > *NOTE:* This unit is the strongest configuration that can be 
> > achieved with this Toyota transmission. However, if you are running 
> > much faster than 9.99 we recommend the installation of a domestic 
> > three speed or Powerglide transmission. These units also enable you 
> > to enjoy the many benefits of a Trans Brake and 8", 9", or 10" 
> > torque converter. See our specialty RWD section or call us for details. 
> > 
> > A340, 93-up 30-40LE, A340E, A340F, A340E, JEEP AW4: *$3275* 
> > A341E and A340E, Lexus, Supra 2JZ-GTE: *$3375* 
> > LEXUS A650E: *$3675* 
> > TOYOTA A750E: *$3775* 
> > A340H (Early 4Runner type with integral transfer case) - *call for pricing* 
> > *Please call or email us to order a complete transmission.* 
> > IPT has performance parts, torque converters and custom transmissions 
> > for Toyota and Lexus vehicles 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Even the STUDEBAKER boys gripe about the 700 series as Torque Sucking 
> > Lumps - better in parts 
> > availability than the stock item - yet still a disappointment's. 
> > 
> > Correct Turbo Sizing will put your Boost where you want it - but on Pump 
> > Gas you'll safely see 
> > it start around 2500RPM - by which time the Aisin 2wd 4speed first gear has 
> > the street car up to speed - *depending upon final drive ratio. 
> > 
> > Turbo 4cylinder engines show their power in upper RPM ranges - take a 
> > look at 
> > any of the Nippon Factory Turbo 4s or the Mercedes or VW...sporting 
> > Electronics. 
> > 
> > You're not going to get low end Torque enhancement using 
> > a 4 with Boost - make it with cam then add some Boost in the RPM - 
> > with a Methanol Injection System. 
> > 
> > You don't have 6 - 8 - 10 cylinders making Torque while waiting for Boost - 
> > it's Tricky getting a Turbo 4 drivable. 
> > 
> > As for lack of Performance Support - IPT has a Forum run by John. I 
> > suggest you bat the 
> > breeze with him after viewing the TOYOTA section the Site. 
> > 
> > The Aisin platform is run behind the Toyota Supra Turbo & Twin Turbo 
> > cars running these 
> > STOCK up to 450HP - after which they ship them to IPT for *Tweaks* - 
> > allowing 600HP runs. 
> > 
> > The BUICK Grand National boys dump the 700 series in favor of the 
> > lighter faster version - 
> > the 200-4R - here's a 'Quick Quote from 'TURBO BUICK . COM' referencing 
> > swapping a 700r in 
> > place of a 200-4r: 
> > 
> > bbbad6 bbbad6 is 
> > offline 
> > 6 Speed TR? 
> > 
> > Join Date: Apr 2004 
> > Location: Central Massachusetts 
> > Trader Rating: (*0 *) 
> > Posts: 48 
> > 
> > the 700 trans fits perfectly, the problem becomes holding it to the 
> > motor. The bolt-pattern is different. If its not, then its either a 
> > one-off 700 or its not one at all. I would recommend against it anyways, 
> > the 700's lower first gear might be amusing at first, but the large skip 
> > into 2nd makes it slower than a 200-4r also consider that the 700r4 has 
> > a .7 OD whereas the 200-4r has .67 not a huge amount but gas is 
> > expensive enough... The work and fab required probably don't make up for 
> > the margin able strength upgrade. just my .$02 
> > PS: the 4l60e is an electronicaslly controlled 700r4, the 4l80e is much 
> > stronger and is basically a th400 with an overdrive, and electronically 
> > controlled. both having Chevy bolt pasterns. 
> > __________________ 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Bottom Line: 
> > 
> > 
> > Use the 700r for Marine Aquatic Housing. 
> > 
> > Find a 2wd AW JEEP trans & run it until it drops. 
> > 
> > Then send it to John @ IPT & run it until hell freezes over. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > =Bt= 
> > milnersXcoupe 
> > "The Heretic" 
> > 
> > 
> > -------------- next part -------------- 
> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 
> > URL: 
> > 
> http://splatter.wps.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20080401/08d890d3/attachm 
> > ent.htm 
> > -------------- next part -------------- 
> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 
> > Name: a541e_solera_small.jpg 
> > Type: image/jpeg 
> > Size: 27046 bytes 
> > Desc: not available 
> > Url : 
> > 
> http://splatter.wps.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20080401/08d890d3/attachm 
> > ent.jpg 
> > -------------- next part -------------- 
> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 
> > Name: a340_small.jpg 
> > Type: image/jpeg 
> > Size: 24146 bytes 
> > Desc: not available 
> > Url : 
> > 
> http://splatter.wps.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20080401/08d890d3/attachm 
> > ent-0001.jpg 
> > -------------- next part -------------- 
> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 
> > Name: user_offline.gif 
> > Type: image/gif 
> > Size: 1026 bytes 
> > Desc: not available 
> > Url : 
> > 
> http://splatter.wps.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20080401/08d890d3/attachm 
> > ent.gif 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > Amc-list mailing list 
> > Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> Amc-list mailing list 
> Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
> http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list 
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://splatter.wps.com/pipermail/amc-list/attachments/20080401/feef8b66/attachment.htm 
_______________________________________________
Amc-list mailing list
Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
http://splatter.wps.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/amc-list