Re: [Amc-list] why "upgrade"?

[Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx]

Not sure who repops sedan wing seals, I thought they were the same.
Didn't realize they were different.
I also realized that the felt is shot on the track for the front edge of the window too.
I'm not sure I can win this battle...
It's an old car...
It's just the noise is a little to much to drive comfortably, makes my ears bleed so to speak.
I can't listen to the stereo comfortably at anything over above 50mph. Can't hold a conversation either.
I have to crank the stereo to hear it.
I don't mind it for short trips or around town, but anything over an hour...

I need to lessen the din. It might have to wait a while.
--
Mark Price
Morgantown, WV
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
" Chronic Pain Hurts"

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
> Who has repro vent window seals for sedans? I've seen them for hard tops 
> but not sedans. One other thing to check is the condition of the handle 
> and the pivot it attaches to. If those are worn, the window may not be 
> tight against the existing gasket.
> 
> Also, if you can track a set down, 67 and older used another seal on the 
> outer edge of the window frame (goes to the roof) that does a lot to cut 
> down on wind noise. My 68 still has the slits for them. I'd assume 69 
> does as well but I've never paid enough attention to them to notice.
> 
> Matt
> 
> Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > Haven't taped anything yet.
> > It has repro door seals in it.
> > It's a sedan.
> > Noise appears to be coming directly from the vent windo area. I figure since 
> the door seals are still in good chape it is likely the wing seals.
> >   I'll have to look at it better next time I get a chance to get it out.
> > 
> > --
> > Mark Price
> > Morgantown, WV
> > 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> > 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
> > " Chronic Pain Hurts"
> > 
> >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
> >> Mark,
> >>
> >> Have you considered taping up the vent windows (something like the green 
> >> masking tape) to see if the noise is actually coming from them? How are 
> >> the roof rail seals (it's a hard top, right?)? Glass aligned well?
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >> Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >>> Speaking of wind noise.
> >>> Does anyone know if putting in the replacement wing window seals
> >>> someone started repoping makes any difference?
> >>> Between wind noise and my stereo cranked up so I can hear it I 
> >>> go about half deaf!
> >>>   I remember there always being wind noise, anyway the new seals help?
> >>> I'd consider taking them out if i thought it would make a difference, but
> >>> man that would kill the nostalgia!
> >>> Though after a 110 miles today, I'm not feeling very nostalgic!
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Mark Price
> >>> Morgantown, WV
> >>> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> >>> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
> >>> " Chronic Pain Hurts"
> >>>
> >>>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >>> From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
> >>>> My 63 Classic has been upgraded a good bit -- Jag IRS, AMC/Jeep 4.6L EFI 
> six, 
> >>>> AW-4 auto trans (w/manual controller), T-bird rack and pinion steering, 79 
> >>>> Spirit front disc brakes (plus Jag rear discs), S-10 tilt steering column, 
> >> power 
> >>>> bucket seats from a 90 or 91 Eagle Premier (at least it's somewhat AMC!), 
> and 
> >>>> 90s Ford Ranger power booster/master cylinder. Even so, it hardly feels 
> like 
> >> a 
> >>>> modern car. You still have the wind noise and occasional vibrations and 
> >> sounds 
> >>>> from the 63 body that modern cars just don't have. So even with extensive 
> >>>> upgrading you still have some of that "old car" feel. I've left the 
> original 
> >>>> instrumentation alone simply because the 1-12 speedo is part of the 
> "Rambler 
> >>>> look". But I agree with you in principle, old cars should be enjoyed for 
> what 
> >>>> they are, not envious of what they aren't! My goal when building was to 
> build 
> >> a 
> >>>> modern Rambler, something similar to what AMC would have been capable of 
> >>>> producing had they kept the 63-66 body through the mid 80s. 
> >>>>
> >>>> I've always felt they should have kept the 69 Rambler (American) sedan and 
> >> gave 
> >>>> it a facelift to replace the Rebel instead of a bigger car, but stretch it 
> to 
> >>>> the 112" wheelbase of the 63-66 Classic for more leg room. Drop the Ambo, 
> >> then 
> >>>> use the Matador as the largest car, especially since the main difference 
> >> between 
> >>>> the Matador and Ambo is the extended wheelbase that adds no room! The 
> >> American 
> >>>> could have even had a similar extension and replaced the bog body 
> altogether. 
> >>>> Similar to what Chrysler did in the 80s -- using the Volare/Aspen body to 
> >>>> repalce their big cars. Would have kept AMC as the compact leader and saved 
> >> lots 
> >>>> of money with just two major car lines (Hprnet/Gremlin then the 
> American/Ambo 
> >>>> combo). Could have even left the American name on the smaller one. Then 
> spend 
> >>>> money on developing a good four for the Gremlin instead of more car models. 
> I 
> >>>> think attempting to compete with the big three was a fatal mistake, and 
> >> history 
> >>>> seems to prove me correct. Just one of the thi
> >>>>  ngs I'd have considered, but then I have 20/20 vision in the matter 
> working 
> >> for 
> >>>> me now! 
> >>>>
> >>>> INCORRECT TOM!! My car had the M-35 with 3.31 axle. You're forgetting that 
> >> the 
> >>>> torque converter has a torque multiplication factor of at least 2.5:1 (more 
> >>>> likely 3:1). So you need less axle for the same performance. I installed a 
> >> 3.78 
> >>>> axle from an OD car behind my auto once. Left it in their about two months 
> >> then 
> >>>> switched back. No performance gain whatsoever -- at least nothing 
> noticeable. 
> >>>> The only thing it did was increase engine rpm by 500 at cruising speed. A 
> >> stick 
> >>>> has to have more gear since there is no torque multiplication helping it 
> out. 
> >>>> Now the stock 2.87 gear would probably have been a dog in comparison to the 
> >>>> 3.31. 
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------
> >>>> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:38:31 -0800
> >>>> From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm all for -- if you are driving and old car, it should drive like an old 
> >>>> car. OK scary brakes and crappy tires must go, etc, but utterly modernizing 
> >>>> an old car -- what's the point? Get a modern car!
> >>>>
> >>>> The secret is I think as I said before, the 3.77 axle and manual trans. 
> >>>> With an auto and around 3:1 this car would suck for performance. 
> >>>>
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> Frank Swygert
> >>>> Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
> >>>> Magazine (AMC)
> >>>> For all AMC enthusiasts
> >>>> http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
> >>>> (free download available!)
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >> -- 
> >> mhaas@xxxxxxx
> >> Cincinnati, OH
> >> http://www.mattsoldcars.com
> >> 1967 Rambler American wagon
> >> 1968 Rambler American sedan
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