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Today's Topics:

   1. 2x or 3x carb intake for 196ohv (M Walter)
   2. T'was the AMC day before XRmas... (Jerry Casper)
   3. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night (dan whitehead)
   4. Re: FREE ADS (Michael Pell)
   5. 360 Heads on a 304 (Bruce Hevner)
   6. Re: 360 Heads on a 304 (Tom Jennings)
   7. Re: Concord Touring Wagon  on E-bay (Ken Siroonian)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:22:49 -0500
From: "M Walter" <redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 2x or 3x carb intake for 196ohv
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I have been watching Ebay for a long time to find a dual 1bbl carb setup for 
a 196ohv engine. At the same time I am considering putting in a 290 that 
I've found in my '63 american convertible. I am a pretty good fabricator, so 
I can make the intake. However, I am concerned about starving #3 and 4 
pistons. Also, if anyone has some advice on shoe horning a 290 into a '63 
breadbox, I would greatly appreciate it.  Oh yeah, I fogot about the T14 
trans that I got on Ebay.  It looks like a direct swap, pilot end appears to 
be longer than the T96 od thats in it. I have not taken it back out to 
compare the two yet, as the garage gets awful cold up here in northern 
Michigan this time of year. THANK YOU all,   redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 08:12:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Jerry Casper <gremlingts@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] T'was the AMC day before XRmas...
To: AMC <amc-delmarva@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx,
	americanmotorsmodelbuilders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Just thought I'd send everyone some merry Christmas
cheer via this AMC poem. Enjoy it and the holidays.
Merry Christmas, everyone! 
 - Jerry Casper -

T'was the AMC day before XRmas....


 T'was the day before Christmas
and Santa was frantic.
 The sleigh was a mess,
and the elves were all manic.

 The reindeer were missing
and Mrs. Claus was quite tipsy,
 The presents weren't loaded 
and Christmas looked iffy.

 The old elf looked haggard
from pulling all-nighters,
 the snow piling up fast
it was looking all white'r.

 Taking a break from the mayhem
he shuffled out into the snow,
 walking aimlessly for awhile
while a north'er did blow.

 His path led him around 
to his summer garage,
 filled with his treasures
of old vintage cars.

 '57 Corvette fuel injected
and a Hemi Superbird,
 sat next to a BMW Isetta
now t'wasn't that absurd?

 Santa distractedly rubbed
his big ol' pot belly,
 and wondered HOW to get out
of THIS big bowl of jelly?

 He puffed out a breath,
thinking thoughts that weren't legal,   
 then an inspiration struck, 
for there sat an AMC Eagle!

 Brown and tan in color
it looked like a plain hauler
 but underneath that exterior
was a serious snow mauler!

 The color of reindeer
and oh so surefooted,
 it'd pull him anywhere
to all chimneys so sooted
 
 Santa was overcome with joy
his pathway seemed clear,
 but with the sleigh in bad shape
in what could he steer?

 Shifting his gaze to and fro,
his eyes lit upon a sight 
 that could turn any elf racer
snow-white with deep fright.

 Underneath a green cover,
covered with years of snow dust
 sat a Holy Christmas terror
with not a single speck of rust.

 Santa yanked off the cover
his elf knees a'tremblin',
 for that red and white car
was a Randall XR 401 Gremlin!

 Unblemished it sat 
when Santa had put it away,
 it was far too dangerous
than his Mach 10 horse sleigh!

 But heaving a breath, ragged
the old Elf had to admit,
 it was the perfect machine 
if his pants he didn't, er, well...you know!

 So getting to work quickly
he pulled both AMCs out,
 and hitched them together
with magic chain, stout.

 The Eagle would fly 
and kick snowbanks assunder
 while the red XR "sleigh"
would make powerful thunder.

 Applying elf magic,
both vehicles were ready,
 but could Santa really do this
without winding up dead-y?

 The roar of both engines
drowned the howl of the gale
 shifting to first and then clutching
the jolly elf looked quite pale!

 "Away dashing and dancing
as I donner for a blitzen,
 don't get in my way, as
I'm driving with mittens!"

 Santa roared up the hill
toward his northly pole castle
 the Eagle pulled mightly
but without even a hassle!

 The mighty XR was a'humming
with it's roar, no complaining
 Santa still worried some though,
could even magic chain take the straining?

 All thru the day
elves filled up the XR,
 loading thru the rear hatch 
(and restocking Santa's bar...Shhhh!).

 Finally nightfall arrived
and still no sign of the 'deer,
 Santa hoped for the best
and swallowed his fear.

 One last look around,
all the elves were in hiding.
 They thought Santa'd be smeared
and there'd be no glad tidings!

 With a gleam in his eye
he lit the V-8 up, fun!
 And, with a flick of the pedal
off he shot like a gun.

 And faintly they heard 
as he thundered away,
 "Merry Christmas to all!
I may get home early today!"


  by Jerry Casper


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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 16:33:29 +0000
From: "dan whitehead" <freebird_58@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Here's a holiday wish for everyone on the list and their family.  May each 
have a Merry Christmas filled with joy and love.  And don't forget to spend 
a little time with your AMC, they need love too.

Merry Christmas
Dan Whitehead
Brodhead, WI
'69 AMX it the works
'70 BBO Donohue
'82 Spirit

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 11:44:18 -0500
From: Michael Pell <mjpell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] FREE ADS
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, namdra@xxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <458EAE62.6080604@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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'61 AMC Rambler Wagon cross country deluxe
See pics here: http://www.indianachevelles.com/pellwagon.html

Alum block 196 engine, 3sp manual with overdrive.  All fenders, doors, 
quarters are in great shape (no rust), 1 small rust hole in floorboard only.
Runs.  Needs brakes, tune-up, starter aligned (and probably other 
items), rusty frame needs attention.
Have the original window sticker.  Odometer shows 87,000 miles.
Asking $2,000 or best offer.
Thanks for the ad space!

Contact:
Mike Pell
mjpell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
317 370-5693 (cell phone)

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namdra@xxxxxxxx wrote:

>I have some room in the December NAMDRA newsletter for ads, so if you
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>e-mail me your ad by 12-26-06.
>
>Happy Holidays everyone!
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:02:25 -0500
From: "Bruce Hevner" <scramblr@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 360 Heads on a 304
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I have done this several times in the past.  But it was done because of a
specific restriction of engine displacement for the class. For example, you
can run any cast iron head but engine size limited to 305 ci.
Putting the bigger heads on the 304 KILLS the bottom end (AND fuel mileage)
while only increasing performance above about 3500+ RPM. Since most street
engines spend a majority of their time below 3500 RPM it's NOT a swap I
would recommend for most 304's, ESPECIALLY if they are automatic cars. If
it's a 4 speed car with a cam swap it WILL help power,, but then why not
just slide a 360 in it which will have more TORQUE which is what REALLY gets
you moving, NOT horsepower.
 I had a Javelin with a 343 automatic, pretty much stock. A friend had an
AMX with a 290 4-speed. We swapped a set of 343 heads on it. Had to notch
the block & pistons in the car!!. When we raced he was able to keep up with
me pretty good ONCE we got moving. I was always able to get out ahead of him
several car lengths on the start due to more torque of the 343 and then he
was not able to catch me.
If you HAVE to keep the 304 I would recommend getting a machine shop
familiar with hi performance head work to swap in a SLIGHTLY larger set of
valves and do a radius seat valve job. I think there are some chevy valves
that would work with a change of guide diameter from 3/8 to 11/32. Sorry I
can't remember specific sizes, chevy intake valves come from 1.720 to 1.940.
I think a 1.840 MIGHT work without cutting the block.
Remember is STREET performance TORQUE is king,, bigger engine size is better
and BIGGEST is BEST!!!!
That's my opinion and I'm stickkeen to it!
Bruce Hevner




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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:53:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 360 Heads on a 304
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006, Bruce Hevner wrote:

> If you HAVE to keep the 304 I would recommend getting a machine shop
> familiar with hi performance head work to swap in a SLIGHTLY larger set of
> valves and do a radius seat valve job. I think there are some chevy valves
> that would work with a change of guide diameter from 3/8 to 11/32. Sorry I
> can't remember specific sizes, chevy intake valves come from 1.720 to 1.940.
> I think a 1.840 MIGHT work without cutting the block.

I had this done on the 304 in my 75 Gremlin. 1.94" intake,
1.55" exhaust, Brand C parts. No block/piston adjustments
necessary. Economics were such that good Chevy valves were
cheaper than AMC replacement valves. Labor was of course where
the money went.

No part numbers, but info and photos here:

http://wps.com/AMC/gremlin-motor.html

(The notes say I was converting it to LPG, but I never did.)


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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:36:09 -0500
From: Ken Siroonian <KSiroonian@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Concord Touring Wagon  on E-bay
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I just sent you a note on the 75 Touring interior option, and while
digging through some stuff, it is pictured in the 76 amc brochure, page 
20 for both the 03-7 and the 08-7. I know it was availabe first in 75.
I ordered it for my uncles 08-7 and for a stock car on the 03-7 in
brown. handsome car and it sold in a few days. Also look at another
rare inerior, on the same page. The Kasmir Knit fabric for the Sedans.
Don't see those any more. There was also another rare interior for the
1980 Concords, it was for the limited package, that normally had the
Chelsea leather, but this was a knite plush fabric called St. Laurent
beige deep plush silver knit. Only pictue I can find of that one is on
the inside of the special 2 page color and trim chart. Only car I ever
saw of that in the east was on a 2 dr concord LTD , two tone
russet/bordeau that I ordered for a demo and went to a relative. pretty 
car. Just a few more interior items for you too enjoy. regards.



On December 22, 2006 markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> Yes, I noticed that car also. It is one I would love to own.
> If it is an original southwest car it has spent a lot of time
indoors!
> The carpet and interior look mint. They are usually roasted in that
era car.
>   It would be a great car to flyout and drive home! You could pretend 
you were back in the 80's easy in that car!
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
> 
> 
> ---- Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone seen this beauty? Item # 250062794854. I saved photos
> > > just to have them! This is an extremely nice car!! Definitely
> > > offsets the Gremlin noted earlier, and currently going for
> > > just a little over twice the price! This car should go for a
> > > LOT more than it is now, I expect the reserve is near the $10K
> > > range. At least it should be.  >
> >
> > WOW! That is super-nice. A subtle combination of little things
> > that would make that a totally pleasant car.
> >
> > Man that thing looks like it was really well cared for for a
> > long time. Total bargain!
> >
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