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Today's Topics:
1. Terry Hankins is out of the office. (Terry_Hankins@xxxxxxxxxxx)
2. Roblin's Garage (Archimedes)
3. OT: Pics of the river washout from last week's flood (Jim Blair)
4. FW: fsj: OT: Pics of the river washout from last week's flood
(Jim Blair)
5. Re: Trans for 72 232 six (AW4 w/o EFI) (Jim Blair)
6. Re: Trans for 72 232 six (AW4 w/o EFI) (Jim Blair)
7. Re: FW: fsj: OT: Pics of the river washout from last
week'sflood (Jay)
8. Dick Cheney hunting (non amc!) (Eddie Stakes)
9. Re: Master Cylinder Swap 60 Rambler? (farna@xxxxxxx)
10. Re: Trans for 72 232 six (AW4 w/o EFI) (farna@xxxxxxx)
11. happy turkey day to all the amc'ers (d stohler)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:59:55 -0500
From: Terry_Hankins@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Terry Hankins is out of the office.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I will be out of the office starting 11/23/2006 and will not return until
11/27/2006.
I will respond to your message when I return.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:32:14 -0500
From: Archimedes <Freedom@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Roblin's Garage
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I hope everyone is aware of this place and the cars they have available:
http://www.roblins.bigstep.com/generic.jhtml?pid=7
They're apparently closing down in 2008, so check 'em out.
-- Marc Montoni
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:45:47 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] OT: Pics of the river washout from last week's
flood
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Yesterday I finally went up to my cabin to see how things looked (my cabin
came through fine. We had a couple branches and 1 dead tree fall on the
property nowhere near the cabin) 3 major sections of the road were damaged
and there was almost 3 feet of mud that someone with a tractor scraped off
the road.
This section is patched just before the road goes over the railway on a
bridge. The Railway is on the top right (level with the guardrail) There was
a logjam at the railway's bridge over the river, which caused the river to
flow down the railway tracks and wipe out the road. It used to be up level
with the railway in this pic. One of my neighbors got stuck last night 1/2
way up the other side with a Dodge 1 ton 4x4 while pulling a trailer (pics
REALLY don't show how bad it is. The bouncing took out his driveshaft)
Luckily my '73 Jeep J4000 is sure footed and even made it in and out in 2wd
while towing another Jeep.
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/washout2.jpg[/IMG]
This shows the drain pipes that were washed out from under the road.
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/washout.jpg[/IMG]
This Silverstream trailer was underwater at the river's bend (they were
upstream of the logjam).
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/trailerwasunderwater.jpg[/IMG]
This is the collection pool at the bottom of Sunset Falls (road has been
mostly rebuilt here already) Water was up to the front yards of the cabins
next to the road. The falls are just off the pic to the left.
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/sunsetfallspool.jpg[/IMG]
Another view of Sunset Falls. (zoomed in!)
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/sunsetfallsandrailbridge.jpg[/IMG]
My view of the river. We were smart to buy on top of the hill as it is solid
rock and unlikely to slide (cutting into that hill to build my new house
will be a pain though!)
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/myviewofriver.jpg[/IMG]
Bottom 1/2 of my property. (taken from the spot where my Cabin's porch used
to be years before)
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/bottompartofmyproperty.jpg[/IMG]
debris washed up all over the place. I didn't get out and walk closer, but
some sections were piled 20 feet high with logs. 1 house went downriver (I
didn't have time to get a pic of the one that was lifted up 10 feet after
the last flood. High water mark was 9 feet up the stairs and branches were
stuffed into the steps all the way to the top)
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/debrisfield.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/debrisfield2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/debrisfield3.jpg[/IMG]
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:30:23 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] FW: fsj: OT: Pics of the river washout from last
week's flood
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F25223CC5205BF101EDF8A2ACE20@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
had to fix the pic links. Was missing a space between the Url and end img.
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Yesterday I finally went up to my cabin to see how things looked (my cabin
came through fine. We had a couple branches and 1 dead tree fall on the
property nowhere near the cabin) 3 major sections of the road were damaged
and there was almost 3 feet of mud that someone with a tractor scraped off
the road.
This section is patched just before the road goes over the railway on a
bridge. The Railway is on the top right (level with the guardrail) There was
a logjam at the railway's bridge over the river, which caused the river to
flow down the railway tracks and wipe out the road. It used to be up level
with the railway in this pic. One of my neighbors got stuck last night 1/2
way up the other side with a Dodge 1 ton 4x4 while pulling a trailer (pics
REALLY don't show how bad it is. The bouncing took out his driveshaft)
Luckily my '73 Jeep J4000 is sure footed and even made it in and out in 2wd
while towing another Jeep.
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/washout2.jpg
[/IMG]
This shows the drain pipes that were washed out from under the road.
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/washout.jpg
[/IMG]
This Silverstream trailer was underwater at the river's bend (they were
upstream of the logjam).
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/trailerwasunderwater.jpg
[/IMG]
This is the collection pool at the bottom of Sunset Falls (road has been
mostly rebuilt here already) Water was up to the front yards of the cabins
next to the road. The falls are just off the pic to the left.
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/sunsetfallspool.jpg
[/IMG]
Another view of Sunset Falls. (zoomed in!)
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/sunsetfallsandrailbridge.jpg
[/IMG]
My view of the river. We were smart to buy on top of the hill as it is solid
rock and unlikely to slide (cutting into that hill to build my new house
will be a pain though!)
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/myviewofriver.jpg
[/IMG]
Bottom 1/2 of my property. (taken from the spot where my Cabin's porch used
to be years before)
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/bottompartofmyproperty.jpg
[/IMG]
debris washed up all over the place. I didn't get out and walk closer, but
some sections were piled 20 feet high with logs. 1 house went downriver (I
didn't have time to get a pic of the one that was lifted up 10 feet after
the last flood. High water mark was 9 feet up the stairs and branches were
stuffed into the steps all the way to the top)
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/debrisfield.jpg
[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/debrisfield2.jpg
[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/washout/debrisfield3.jpg
[/IMG]
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:48:59 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trans for 72 232 six (AW4 w/o EFI)
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F79489EF64FD414F7711D6ACE20@xxxxxxx>
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A: Don't mix and match flexplate and trans! The offsets are different (which
is why Keliegh's trans bombed out) If you run the AW4, use the AW4 flexplate
(if you go to EFI, Renix and HO use different tone rings but that's the only
difference) and starter ('87 up Grand Wagoneers use the same starter
according to my rebuilder's guide at work. Flexplate for the late model GWs
have a different offset as well)
If you want to run a 4.0L with HO EFI and a 727, you can carve the crank
sensor hole easy enough in the trans bellhousing (I have a 999 case with
crank sensor from a 2000 Wrangler 4.0 I was going to build that is going
into my for sale pile along with the valvebody. I sold the guts to someone
who used some of the internals in an XJ 904) and use the TJ 999 flexplate,
which should attach to the converter with the correct offset.
I thought there was no valvebody (other than direction controller and manual
over ride for the gears) in the AW4? Just electric solenoids controlled by
the computer?
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trans for 72 232 six (AW4 w/o EFI)
Mark, it doesn't take much to get an AW4 working with a
stand-alone
controller (TC from now on). The stand alone controller was used
from
87-95. In 96 the OBDII controller has the trans controller
integrated
with it.
(snip)
The only other problem is the flex plate. You need to run an AW4
flexplate and matching 4.0L starter. The TF flexplate MIGHT work
if
redrilled, but I'm not sure. I know there can be problems using
an AW4
flexplate with a TF converter. You have to make sure the
converter isn't
pushed into the trans to far or you'll burn up the front pump.
Keleigh
Hardy found that out the hard way, IIRC! The solution is to
shorten the
"ears" on the hub or thin the threaded mounting lugs on the
converter.
Or just use the correct flexplate and starter -- neither of
which are
hard to find in salvage yards now.
Well, there's a bigger problem I suppose -- finding a 2WD AW4 in
a Jeep.
Not hard to do in the south, but in northern parts of the
country
(including Pacific NW -- anywhere there's a reasonable amount of
snow)
they are pretty hard to find. But there may be a solution! The
AW4 is
also known as the A340 in Toyotas, but it's the same trans. The
main
trans body should interchange on the Jeep bell housing. The only
difference I've seen is that some of the Toyotas (specifically
the
Supra) use an electronic servo in place of the TV cable. From
what I saw
the servo mounts in the same location as the cable, and should
be
replaceable with a cable. The valve body is calibrated
differently, but
valve bodies will interchange. The only drawback here is you'd
likely
need to buy a Jeep 4x4 trans and a Toyota 2WD trans (trucks and
SUVs,
Supra and others rear drive cars with the I-6 or V-6) for all
the parts.
If the servo can indeed simply be replaced with a cable then you
just
need the Jeep flexplate and bell. I'd use the converter that
goes with
the trans, especially if the trans and/or converter are used.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:54:58 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trans for 72 232 six (AW4 w/o EFI)
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F33C7C465ABD771CDCCEB42ACE20@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
One of the Jeep guys is stuffing an AW4 behind his 360 in a '90 Grand
Wagoneer (that's why we have been test fitting everything under the sun)-
----Original Message-----
From: Mark Price [mailto:markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 7:53 PM
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trans for 72 232 six
For some reason the AW4 always slips my mind!
If I was doing an automatic swap I would indeed use it.
They are, as far as I'm concerend, One of the most reliable
automatic
trans out there. It's not at all unusual to see one pass 200K
without a
whimper. They have a nice gear spread and work well too.
Anyone put one behind a non EFI six yet? Just curious of what
it
would take to get the trans controller up and working. I know
The manual
controllers like Franks can be built or bought, but an true
automatic
function would be more fitting.
I neverless still have the free 73 904 should anyone want it
:]
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:09:08 -0500
From: "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] FW: fsj: OT: Pics of the river washout from
last week'sflood
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <006601c70f4b$ffe17d00$9d9b1ecf@Ciampi>
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What state was this flood in, Jim?
Jay in FL.
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:48:56 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Dick Cheney hunting (non amc!)
To: <baadassGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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reply-type=original
Non AMC but still fun. Everyone have a god Thanksgiving, don't let 'Unka
Dick' here shoot your bird though.
http://www.popdrain.com/videos/cheneyhuntgame.swf
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 03:36:35 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Master Cylinder Swap 60 Rambler?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-List)
Cc: johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<112420060336.2921.456668C30000AA2D00000B6921587667550E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
Congratulations!! Nothing like the thrill of driving a project car for the first time, is there?!
The MC from a 70-76 Hornet will be your best bet. It will have the correct volume and residual pressure valves for the current drum brakes and be easy to use with discs if you decide to use them later -- just remove the front residual pressure valve and bolt on 79-83 Concord/Spirit/Pacer front discs. You will have to run some new brake lines to split yours up. You don't have a pressure differential switch, so you can just run a "T" for the front brakes and use a connector for the rear brake line. Your brake light switch is in the distribution block, I think, and is a pressure type. If that's the case and you want to retain the pressure switch, use a "T" to connect the rear brake line to the MC and put the switch in the "T". I suggest you rig a normally closed momentary switch from Radio Shack (or a 70 Javelin brake light switch from the auto parts store) on the brake pedal though. All the newer pressure type switches don't stand up to daily use. Will probably last a long tim!
e in a
weekend car, but I've had them fail within a year on a car driven daily (like back and forth to work daily!).
I do suppose you know I mean replace the current junction block with two "T" fittings (or a "T" and a connector), then run new lines from the fittings to the MC... you might have to adjust the pushrod, but that should be about all. I remember bolting one to my old 61 American and my 63 Classic with no problem.
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Date: Thursday, November 23, 2006 02:21 AM
From: johnny kazek <johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx>
After replacing the spun wheel hub and now the brakes, the mighty 60
Rambler Wagon made a 1/2 mile trip around the corner to get some air
in the tires! Should have broken a bottle of champagne over the
front bumper, but haven't decided on a name yet.
Tried looking for topic with search function but couldn't find
anything, wondering if anyone knows of a compatible dual reservior
master cylinder that can be used in place of the single I have now
(Example Ford 6's from the 60's can use a late 60's/early 70's dual
with minimal fabrication).
Thanks a lot and Happy Thanksgiving everybody-
Johnny
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 03:44:59 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trans for 72 232 six (AW4 w/o EFI)
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-List)
Message-ID:
<112420060344.6689.45666ABB000D573D00001A2121587667550E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
"I thought there was no valvebody (other than direction controller and manual
over ride for the gears) in the AW4? Just electric solenoids controlled by
the computer?"
-------------------------
No, there's still a valve body to control action (forward, reverse, etc.) and internal pressure. There's also a failsafe mode so the vehicle can be manually shifted with the shifter if one of the solenoids fail. It skips a gear when that happens, depends on which solenoid is out. The solenoids just handle the shifting after it's in drive.
--
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:59:58 -0800 (PST)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] happy turkey day to all the amc'ers
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