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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Compressors (Todd Tomason)
   2. Re: Urethane Bushing (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
   3. Mark W. Rambler Auto Sales (Bill Serckie)
   4. Re: Compressors (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
   5. Urethane Spot Welds (Brien Tourville)
   6. Re: Possible carb for a six? (Sandwich Maker)
   7. Re :  Possible carb for a six? (Jim Blair)
   8. Re: Urethane Spot Welds (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
   9. Re :  Possible carb for a six?
      (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
  10. Pot mettle (Mahoney, John)
  11. Re: rubber, urethane, noise -- was Prothane = Strut bushings
      (Tom Jennings)
  12. Re: Re :  Possible carb for a six? (Tom Jennings)
  13. Re: rubber, urethane, noise -- was Prothane = Strut bushings
      (Mark Price)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 06:50:04 -0600
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Compressors
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200611030650.04569.jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Art,

I'm planning to buy an Ingersoll Rand when I have the money saved up.  I'm 
looking at a model SS3L3.  3HP, 11.3 CFM, 100% duty cycle, 240 volt single 
phase, 60 gallon vertical tank.  Here's a couple vendors that carry them.  
Just search on compressors.  Prices run around $550 - $575.  

http://www.northerntool.com
http://www.mytscstore.com

Be careful of the HP ratings when you're comparing compressors.  Many 
companies still use "peak" HP.  I saw one the other day at Home Depot that 
was rated for 7HP, but only drew 11 amps.  That has to be peak HP.  A true HP 
rating for that motor would be around 2.5 or 3.  Rule of thumb is 4-5 amps 
per 1 HP.  

If you want to compare to some really nice high-end compressors, take a look 
at the Quincy and Champion units that TP Tools carries.  

http://www.tptools.com

Definitely buy as big as you can.  You'll be glad later.  One day you'll 
decide you need a blast cabinet or something else that takes a lot of air.  

Todd

On Thursday 02 November 2006 20:45, Arthur Litchfield wrote:
> Good evening all.  I am in the market for a new air compressor.  I have
> about $500 to spend.  I will run a few air tools such as am impact
> wrench, DA sander and an occasional nail gun or stapler.  I would
> appreciate recommendations anyone on the list might have.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Art in Idaho
>


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 06:59:01 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
	<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Urethane Bushing
To: <jackbarncord@xxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
	<092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D01A68038@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Jack, I just had a thought.... Tom and I both drive 1963 Classics. These
were the first of the new "3 box" body design that used strut rod
suspension (the 62 Classic/Ambo used strut rods, but still had bumper to
bumper continuous rails along the body sides). Could be that the body
was modified in the strut rod mount area or even the bracket after 63.
So this jarring in the floor may only after those cars. I don't get it
with standard bushings, only with the poly. Come to think of it, it was
much less with the half-n-half bushings I ran before altering my strut
rod for the new bushings. So this may not be the case with later cars --
maybe not even the 64s. 

Darn, I had another thought! When converting the old one piece bushing
strut rod (pre 68) to a two piece adjustable, you don't need a new style
strut rod for a donor. Cut the original strut rod 1.5"-2.0" in FRONT of
the bushing stop. Then weld a grade 8 5/8"x8"(I think it's 5/8" -- make
sure it's the same size as the inside of the spacer that comes with the
) stud to the end. You can get the stud at any industrial fastener shop.
DO NOT use "all thread"!! Make sure it's a grade 8 stud.  



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 08:07:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Serckie <amo9123@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Mark W. Rambler Auto Sales
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061103160700.42538.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Hello All,

I occasionally throw this out in hopes that some one
has knowledge of an old Rambler Dealership from the
early 1960's called "MARK W. RAMBLER"

I am trying to locate the state that this deakerdhip
was in as I still have the dealershhip sticker on the
trunk of my 1964 Classic 660.  I am assuming that this
dealership was located in the southeast, as my 
Classic 660 still has hardened clay throughout the
undercarriage.  I have repeatedly checked the AMC
Dealer list and cannot find this one.  

Is there a site where a VUN # can be traced? 
My Vin # is G545450

Can anyone please help ? 

Thanks,

Bill Serckie
(708) 889-2739


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 12:26:20 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
	<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Compressors
To: <artl@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
	<092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D01A68271@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Art, you will need a 45 gallon or more compressor to do a lot. The nail
gun doesn't take a large amount of air. You might want to get a small
portable compressor for it. A little 2 hp 2 gallon will be fine unless
you're doing framing for a living, but a 3-5 gallon will be a bit
better. That won't run any air tools though. I have a 20 gallon 120 psi
compressor and it's barely big enough for an impact wrench. Other
things, like my die grinder or air drill, run it down to fast. I have to
wait a lot to use those -- hardly worth it! I can paint, though I do
have to wait a few minutes on occasion. Not enough wait to worry about
when painting. 

Lowe's has a 45 gallon now for $419, 60 gallon for $499. You'll need
hose and such too! Lowe's has the rubber hose for $30 (50'), and expect
to spend another $30-$50 for quick disconnects. Harbor Freight has
compressors has some, but prices are about the same as Lowe's -- add
shipping and they're more. A 30 gallon MIGHT be enough, but you're
better off with a bit more capacity.

---------------------------

Date: Thursday, November 2, 2006 09:45 PM
From: Arthur Litchfield <artl@xxxxxxxxxxx>

Good evening all.  I am in the market for a new air compressor.  I have
about $500 to spend.  I will run a few air tools such as am impact
wrench, DA sander and an occasional nail gun or stapler.  I would
appreciate recommendations anyone on the list might have.

Thanks in advance.
Art in Idaho




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:57:03 -0500
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Urethane Spot Welds
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <454B4AAF.28243.48DD41E@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII





John, on the 63-66 big cars I notice it when I hit a pot hole! You'd
feel something like that even with new stock bushings, but there's a
very pronounced jar with the urethane strut rod bushing. Feels like
someone hammering the floor right near your left foot when a pothole 
or
any substantial . On a smooth road it would hardly make a difference. 
On
show cars or even most track cars, it may go unnoticed, but for a 
daily
driver that sees regular service (not just a "weekender" or 
occasional
driver that's babied a bit -- something more like Tom and I, who use 
our
cars for pretty much regular transportation on all sorts of roads and
traffic). I didn't mind occasional squeaks, but that jar at my feet
worried me! 


  ===============================



makes you think............ right ?


        =Bt=
  milnersXcoupe



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:17:00 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Possible carb for a six?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200611022017.kA2KH0M26567@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

" From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
" 
" Just in case anyone thinks this would be good for a six?
" 
" Ebay Item : 250040918288

iirc omc rated their engines by hp, so the 225 is probably a v8 in the
302-350 range.  it might work, as marine engines are frequently
undercarbed to keep ignorant owners from overrevving them.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 12:17:25 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Re :  Possible carb for a six?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F1262DEE8AFB4DD8C0AA31EACFE0@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

A: That's from a Buick V6 and may work in offroaders, but it's been a long 
time sice I played with Roachfester carbs. (I'm about to get a 
reintroduction to the Carter BBD soon)


From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Possible carb for a six?
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <29620639.1162497504229.JavaMail.root@web24>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Just in case anyone thinks this would be good for a six?

Ebay Item : 250040918288

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rochester-Carburater-off-OMC-225-Good-Take-Off_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ31286QQihZ015QQitemZ250040918288QQrdZ1
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 15:02:16 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
	<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Urethane Spot Welds
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
	<092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D01A6837C@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Oh I inspect my car regularly! I welded the steering arms up (made new
ones), so they get regular check-ups -- 2-3 times a year and any time I
think something feels a little different! I've looked at the spot welds
and checked the bolts for the strut rod brackets many times. I finally
got rid of the stiff urethane bushings (newer ones may be a bit softer
-- the ones I had were made for racers) simply because I was afraid
something might eventually jar loose/give that wasn't supposed to!!
Everything is fine, by the way, but thanks for the concern! 

------------------------

Date: Friday, November 3, 2006 01:57 PM
From: milnersXcoupe <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>

Frank wrote:
John, on the 63-66 big cars I notice it when I hit a pot hole! You'd
feel something like that even with new stock bushings, but there's a
very pronounced jar with the urethane strut rod bushing. Feels like
someone hammering the floor right near your left foot when a pothole
or
any substantial . On a smooth road it would hardly make a difference.
On
show cars or even most track cars, it may go unnoticed, but for a
daily
driver that sees regular service (not just a "weekender" or
occasional
driver that's babied a bit -- something more like Tom and I, who use
our
cars for pretty much regular transportation on all sorts of roads and
traffic). I didn't mind occasional squeaks, but that jar at my feet
worried me!

  ===============================

makes you think............ right ?





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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 15:08:28 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
	<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Re :  Possible carb for a six?
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
	<092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D01A68384@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Speaking of BBDs, that's what my J-10 has on it. I just discovered a
new-in-the-box NOS Carter WCD 2V carb I bought years ago. Not sure if
it's a 196 or 232 version, but I'm wondering if I should consider using
it in place of the BBD? A lot of the emissions stuff has been removed
already (such as the charcoal canister -- I haven't looked to see what
else might be missing, but no hoses/valves on the valve cover like some
Eagles have...). It seems to run really good after it warm up, and has
the connector for the computer system. I haven't even looked to see if
that's hooked up!! Now I wonder if a "Nutter bypass" has been done!! In
any case, it runs good, and I plan on driving it down to SC next week.
Like I said earlier, if anyone sees a nut driving a lawn tractor down
I-95 (next Wednesday!), take pity -- it's me, and the J-10 has broken
down!! ;> 



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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:01:17 -0500
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Pot mettle
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
	<BFF496024CD8E8499845576906CA0F190D2FE8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

>>
1963 Classics ... were the first of the new "3 box" body design that used strut rod suspension (the 62 Classic/Ambo used strut rods, but still had bumper to bumper continuous rails along the body sides). Could be that the body was modified in the strut rod mount area or even the bracket after 63.
<<

(...when the '64 hardtops debuted; surely after the '65 convertibles did...)


>>
I occasionally throw this out in hopes that some one
has knowledge of an old Rambler Dealership from the
early 1960's called "MARK W. RAMBLER"

I am trying to locate the state that this deakerdhip
was in as I still have the dealershhip sticker on the
trunk of my 1964 Classic 660.  I am assuming that this
dealership was located in the southeast, as my
Classic 660 still has hardened clay throughout the
undercarriage.
<<

Hmmm: from '52-on, there was a McCarty Nash-Rambler in Jonesboro [AR] (also a McCarty in Kennett MO) and a Mac-Nash Motors (making play on owner's name of -McMillan-...) in Little Rock, a McClarty in Dallas, McClain in Memphis, McElroy in Birmingham (Biloxi and Baton Rouge, too), a McRae in Decatur, a Martin in Atlanta, and both a Mack Perry and a Marc-Mor in CA, but the Mark W. trail must have grown cold.

http://www.kfai.org/programs/mtrt/mtradioad.jpg 
  
Maybe it leads back to Mark's Rambler in Willow Creek, WI or to Marti Rambler in the other Rochester (in MN, not in NY...).  Yes, documentation is AMC power.  

The best-named AMC dealership was Cadillac Motor Sales Ltd. in Winnipeg:

"Hello, do you have Kenosha Cadillacs --- and Prince Albert in a can???"  

http://pages.ripco.net/~economy/images/porter/princealbert.jpg


>>
I didn't mind occasional squeaks, but that jar at my feet worried me!

  ===============================

makes you think............ right ?
<<

Brien's too funny: [un]fortunately, Frank wrote "squeaks" not -leaks-.

http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/year2003/n03/museum/800/9C7B7865.jpg

http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/P0002617.jpg

(OK, we promise: no more Plymouth jokes...)

But whether you read on or off your car-themed thrones, read!

9/25/06 AN (pp. 20-22): how Durant, Sloan, and Nash built GM.

9-10/06 AA: the new "Factory High Performance Vehicle" class.

Read what's in/not in AMC 36J.  You want it on a paper sheet?

Then get out of the "house" to dig up the "dirt" on your own.

Remember what AACA Executive Director Steve Moskowitz writes:

"Okay everyone, what is it going to take?  Do we need to come over and wash your car, vacuum the interior, polish brass or clean whitewalls?  Our club continues to struggle with low participation.  People, this is important."

applies equally to your AMC List/Club/Community/Future thing.

Remember when the last car of 36J was $2995. ($29,995 today?)

Remember "The Superacious Comin' or Goin' Super Car of '72"!!

If you own one, post something so others can learn and enjoy.

AMC's as alive and kickin' or as dead and dull as you make it.

And if you don't -really- read "for the articles" --- the AMC photos are informative, too.  '58 Rambler sw (Dallas), vinyl-topped Pacer (Ashville), all-original '59 Nash [the Nash that kept coming after the '57 model year was done?] Met with only 35k miles for only $6300.  When you're full of eye candy, return to reading.  The Lincoln that Dick would have remade as a Teague Packard (had Ernie let him into the Breech) and the importance of words on cars.

Shoot -break- (not "brake") into your arsenal of wagon (not waggin') knowledge, along with grill/grille and flare/flair: may work better than duck tape.

http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578261090         

Sorry, -duct- tape, eh?  I'm still looking for Cadillac AMC.

Oh Canada.

Britannia.

http://www.madle.org/amdb5break64a.jpg

And Japan.

http://hvtm.totalcar.hu/car/m/nissan/522268.jpg

'08 Rogue.

http://tinyurl.com/v698q

Is it a Gremlin GT, an Eagle Kammback, or a Murano Mini?

Yes, all three.  Keep looking.
  
Someone may remember your AMC.

On January 7, 2007.  ~9 weeks.

 





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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 15:19:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rubber, urethane, noise -- was Prothane =
	Strut bushings
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611031452070.4618@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM wrote:

> John, on the 63-66 big cars I notice it when I hit a pot hole! You'd
> feel something like that even with new stock bushings, but there's a
> very pronounced jar with the urethane strut rod bushing. Feels like

We're of course talking about really subjective, hard to measure
things, but while I think the half urethane/half rubber bushings
I run in the 63 Classic are a *bit* harsher, it's not serious,
and I definitely don't feel it in the floorboards (sic).

The worst feature of the urethane is the infamous groaning, but
after a year or two they mostly shut up except at high curbs etc.

In fact, the 63 Classic rides unbelieveably smoothly, for an
inexpensive car. There's no front sway bar so it... sways,
but this ain't no sports car, I don't mind, it suits the car
just fine.

Don't you, Frank, have rack steering? Could be impulse energy
transmission that way, to the chassis.




Now my 70 Hornet, that's a rough cheap ride. It's 100% new as
stock (OK, 20K mi), stock springs +1" height, KYB shocks, stock
"heavy duty" sized tires (195/70-14) at 30psi, all rubber parts
except the famous John Elle spring tower fix w/urethane's.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the car, but it
doesn't have any of the side-sill insulators or the later
iso-mount rear insulators.

I think it's lighter than the 63 Classic by 200 - 300 lbs. (I
weighed the 63 Classic wagon on an actual scale: 3150 lbs. TSMs
etc talk about ICC-agreed-upon ship weight). Don't know what
the Hornet weighs, but I guess about 3000.

Not sure exactly why the Hornet rides so rough. It handles fine
(as it could ever), has stock sway bar. You just feel and hear
rough roads.

The 72, less-good suspension (new springs all around, but I
repair ball joints etc as they wear rather), rides the same;
good handling, no noises, solid, noisy and rough.



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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 15:27:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Re :  Possible carb for a six?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611031521140.4618@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

re: feedback carter BBDs:

An acquaintence of mine, Frank Raso, a fellow propane nut,
is gonna work on something I've been thinking of, adapting
megasquirt technology to feedback propane carbs. There's a
simple solenoid valve that attaches to the vent port on the LP
converter, and by modulatin very weak vacuum on it, you can lean
out the mixture.  LP feedback controlled cars are setup to run
rich via jetting (diaphragm) and the "computer" leans it out,
using an O2 sensor for feedback.

Autotronics makes one, but it's about $400 and I've had both
of mine fail after a few years, and they are dumb as a bag
of hammers.

Most people think "sluggish smog crap" when they hear feedback
carb, but it doesn't have to be that way at all, it's simply
in the feedback algorithms. Megasquirt is a big win here.

The method of controlling feedback carb (stepper motor) vs.
FI (pulse-width-mod) is different, but I that code is a day's
work. The idea of a dashboard-tunable carb, with feedback
for stability and mileage (or performance, your choice)
is really attractive.

And no one likes those carbs, so I bet they're cheap if you
can find them. Would work with any stepper-style feedback carb.

If Frank R. gets it to go, I may make this change.



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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 15:59:35 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rubber, urethane, noise -- was Prothane =
	Strut bushings
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <7791872.1162598375814.JavaMail.root@web34>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Sounds like my American matches the Hornet ride.
It has used V8 springs, Poly bushings everywhere except the struts, those are still rubber. The 205/60/15's at 32 PSI don't help any! The alck of carpetings also increases road noise. Shocks are low pressure gas.
  The next phase of work entails the new 2.95 first gear T5 Z pec trans and floor insulation and carpet. The floor will be getting coated with the Peel and stick stuff then standar carpt and pad.I expect those additions to make a big change in NVH!
  I know my full size Bronco really quieted down when I carpeted the rear area over the rubber mat.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV


---- Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx> wrote: 
> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM wrote:
> 
> > John, on the 63-66 big cars I notice it when I hit a pot hole! You'd
> > feel something like that even with new stock bushings, but there's a
> > very pronounced jar with the urethane strut rod bushing. Feels like
> 
> We're of course talking about really subjective, hard to measure
> things, but while I think the half urethane/half rubber bushings
> I run in the 63 Classic are a *bit* harsher, it's not serious,
> and I definitely don't feel it in the floorboards (sic).
> 
> The worst feature of the urethane is the infamous groaning, but
> after a year or two they mostly shut up except at high curbs etc.
> 
> In fact, the 63 Classic rides unbelieveably smoothly, for an
> inexpensive car. There's no front sway bar so it... sways,
> but this ain't no sports car, I don't mind, it suits the car
> just fine.
> 
> Don't you, Frank, have rack steering? Could be impulse energy
> transmission that way, to the chassis.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Now my 70 Hornet, that's a rough cheap ride. It's 100% new as
> stock (OK, 20K mi), stock springs +1" height, KYB shocks, stock
> "heavy duty" sized tires (195/70-14) at 30psi, all rubber parts
> except the famous John Elle spring tower fix w/urethane's.
> 
> I don't think there's anything wrong with the car, but it
> doesn't have any of the side-sill insulators or the later
> iso-mount rear insulators.
> 
> I think it's lighter than the 63 Classic by 200 - 300 lbs. (I
> weighed the 63 Classic wagon on an actual scale: 3150 lbs. TSMs
> etc talk about ICC-agreed-upon ship weight). Don't know what
> the Hornet weighs, but I guess about 3000.
> 
> Not sure exactly why the Hornet rides so rough. It handles fine
> (as it could ever), has stock sway bar. You just feel and hear
> rough roads.
> 
> The 72, less-good suspension (new springs all around, but I
> repair ball joints etc as they wear rather), rides the same;
> good handling, no noises, solid, noisy and rough.
> 
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