Re: [AMC-List] 64 American (alternate to 196)

[Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

My personal preference for any engine swap into the 64-65 would be the 4.0L based six. It has a lot of advantages over the older sixes.
A few off the top of my head.
Aluminum valve cover [they did go to steel in 90's]
Serpentine belt system [ignore the others here, run an elctric fan setup!]
Modern trans hookup is easy, AW4 overdrive automatic, or T-5 swap are good choices.
Easy addition of EFI if wanted. [not real easy, but worth the work]
Carbed intakes are failry easy to install also.

If your a hotrodder you can install a 258 Crank and rods and stroke it.
It will out perform a stock 290 or the 287 any day of the week!

If you want the original appeal
and a V-8 the 287 would make a nice retro swap. I'm hoping to do a 327 swap into a 65! If you don't know I already have the 4.0L, T5 combo in my 69 Rambler [American].
  

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Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV


---- "Swygert wrote: 
> Date: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 06:28 AM
> From: L. D. Lyons <ldlyons@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> I am considering putting something other than a 196 in my 64 440 HDTP,
> can
> someone give me an idea on what would fit, I would love to put a v8 in.
> also a 287 V8 sitting in my garage for 15 years, 199 i6 from 65 classic.
> Both complete except carb. I am in south central Nebraska.
> (edited for content)
> ------------------------------
> 
> The 199 (or a 232/258/4.0L) will fit nicely IF you don't have or want
> AC. You need an early 70s CJ-5 water pump and pulley though, or a 65
> American water pump and pulley. The pulley is the hard thing to find.
> Keep your existing radiator but reverse the mounts left to right. That
> will move the radiator forward 1.5-2". With the short pump/pulley and
> radiator moved forward the bigger AMC sixes will just fit. The 4.0L
> doesn't need a shorter water pump or pulley as long as you keep the
> serpentine belt setup. I think (but not certain!) that the later 258
> serpentine belt system will fit without mods too. You will need a
> Wrangler 4.0L (1990-06) water pump so you can mount a fan on it, the
> Cherokee/Comanche fan is offset and a fan won't bolt to the pump. You'll
> need a "reverse rotation" fan. Flex-A-Lite makes a nice one piece
> plastic fan that will work in the short space between the engine and
> radiator. No room for a clutch fan! You can find that fan in most mail
> order places like Summit or JCW if not locally. It might work well on
> the stock Cherokee/Comanche pump, but the bolt pattern isn't the same
> for the pulley on that pump vs. the ones made for a fan. 
> 
> The 287 will be a bit heavy and tight, but with stock exhaust manifolds
> can be squeezed in. The later AMC V-8s are a better fit as they are
> 60-80 pounds lighter and a little narrower. Since you have a 196 you
> have a crossmember with no perches for the engine. That makes it easier
> to fabricate them. I bolted two pieces of 2"x3" rectangular tubing
> between the engine mounts and my 196 crossmember to mount a 4.0L in a 63
> Classic. Make sure you have 11 gauge (~1/8" thick) tubing at least, 8
> gauge (~3/16") would be better. Bolt the tubing to the engine mount,
> lower engine in place, then mark where the original 196 bolt holes are.
> Drill and tap for a fine thread 3/8" grade 8 bolt. You can drill and tap
> from underneath if there's room under the car. Use a lock washer, and
> lock-tite if you're concerned. You need at least 1/4" between the oil
> pan and crossmember at the closest point. You might need some 1/8" steel
> plates the size of your tubing to shim it up, but I didn't. The V-8 may
> be in different height locations. Craft Rambler ran an American with a
> bored and stroke 327 (to 421!!) in 63-64 before AMC stuck a V-8 in. 
> 
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