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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: performance cam for 196 ohv (John Elle)
   2. AMC Sighting Old Commercials Video Google (RetroRalph)
   3. Re: performance cam for 196 ohv (Tom Jennings)
   4. Re: javelin headers (Todd Tomason)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:53:02 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] performance cam for 196 ohv
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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SNIP
GREETINGS  AMC  FANS!!!   I had heard a testemonial about the effects of
putting a cam with 0.10" added lift and 20 deg. duration in a 196 ohv
engine.  Also, is the cam the same as the flathead 196?   THANK  YOU
one
and all.     <mailto:redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx> redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx
SNIP
 
O.K., I guess I can not answer as to whether the 196 Flat head and OHV
engine used the same cam
or not although it is possible it did. But as to a performance cam, they
would not be the same 
specification even if it physically fit. Flat head engines are notorious
poor breathing engines due to 
the shape and size of the combustion chamber vs an overhead valve
engine. This does not take into
account any of the funky designs that AMC used for intake and exhaust
systems on the older I-6 
engines. (Funky yes, but were they the only ones? No!) Thus a flat head
engine does not like a 
performance cam with a lot of overlap. They do not breath well enough to
use the overlap. Thus they
like a lot of lift. An overhead engine is not really happy with a lot of
lift as you have more weight in the 
valve train and you have clearance problems with the valves and the
pistons but!!!!! They are a lot 
happier with over lap as the breathing is far better. 
I have used a cam in the "Leaning Tower of Power" the MOPAR slant 225,
and one in my AMC 258 
(along with other mods) to great success. You get a big bang for the
buck spent as far as I 
am concerned. 
I have also built up a successful Flat Head Ford V8, an AMC 390 and a
Simca 1400 cc engine. I am
sure that there are others too that have successfully installed cam
shafts in their favorite engines. I 
have a feeling when I put together my 232 for my Sportabout there will
be a cam hiding in there also. 
I use Iskenderian as I have always had good luck with them and they have
a user friendly Tech 
Support group. 
So, if you want the straight poop on cam specifications and applications
pick your cam shaft 
company and call their tech support for questions. 
My suggestion is to build a little hot rod engine. Select a cam with
upper rpm power. Forget about
the supposed low rpm torque monster mystique these engine seem to have
developed.
Check the specifications. 
They Got No Torque and what little they do have is just off of idle.
Then they drop dead.
A little hot rod engine is far more fun to drive. 
My 258 will full throttle shifts from 2nd to high at 75 mph (automatic)
and will cause the car to snatch when it 
happens. This works out to be in the area of 4300rpm and the engine will
wind out over 5000 rpm with out
any problem.
 
John. 
 
 
 


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:56:29 -0700
From: "RetroRalph" <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Sighting Old Commercials Video Google
To: "AMC-List" <AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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at the 21 minute mark on this set of old commercials at:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8529092460554257230&hl=en

60 sec commercial for 1967 AMC Station Wagon.  Must be an Ambo.

Old Noah used it for his ark & loaded it full of critters...

______________________________________________________________
Ralph Ausmann  -  Hillsboro, OR - > <ralph.ausmann@xxxxxxxxx>
http://mysite.verizon.net/res79g4m/ ... and "check the links"
 


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:15:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] performance cam for 196 ohv
To: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610102314060.4995@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Mark Price wrote:

> I hit a website tonight that mentioned overheating problems under heavy load duties due to the long inblock exhaust passaged cooking things. If this is true adding a turbo would only aggravate the condition.

Hmm, too bad then! I have no real experience with this motor
(had one but years ago). Oh well, sometimes I guess old motors
are ... too old. Like the VW pancake motor. Great for it's time,
but it's time has passed!

Looks cool though :-)


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:33:01 -0500
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] javelin headers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610110633.01713.jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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72 Javelin.  401 or 360, basically stock.  Performer intake with Edelbrock 600 
cfm carb.  I went ahead and ordered a set of the Hooker headers from Summit 
Racing last night.  This should do the trick.

Todd

On Tuesday 10 October 2006 18:16, Nick ALFANO wrote:
> Todd,
>
> What year Javelin?  Square port or dogleg and what
> engine mods are done?
>
> If it is 68-69 square port head, there is not as much
> available.  Hooker makes two styles, a regular
> competition header and an equal length tube super
> comp.  I have a set of the ceramic coated equal length
> super comps new in the box.
>
> If it is a 70-74 with a Dogleg, then there are a lot
> more choices.  The two best off the shelf headers for
> fitment are the Headmen headers and the Hooker Super
> Comps.  The Edelbrock shorties are fine if you don't
> have much of a cam or don't want a full length header.
>
> Nick Alfano
> Alfano Performance
> Kenosha, WI. 53142
> 262-308-1302
> 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:01:08 -0500
> From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Javelin Headers
> To: AMC List <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> <200610100701.08199.jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> Anyone have any recommendations on which headers to
> buy for my Javelin?
> The
> old rusty ones that came with the car just won't seal
> anymore.
>
> Todd
>
>
> Alfano Performance
> Kenosha, WI. 53142
> 262-308-1302
> 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
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