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Today's Topics:

   1. 401 bare block for sale (Joe)
   2. Re: rambler hot rod // backwards six (Sandwich Maker)
   3. Re: rambler hot rod // backwards six (Sandwich Maker)
   4. Re: rambler hot rod // backwards six (Sandwich Maker)
   5. Re: AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Sandwich Maker)
   6. Coil and leaf spring questions. ( Russell T. Neyhart)
   7. Reply to Eddie Stakes about trailer hitch. ( Russell T. Neyhart)
   8. Re: rambler hot rod // backwards six (farna@xxxxxxx)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:09:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe <jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 401 bare block for sale
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Bare(with caps) 401 block for sale. Casting ##'s(401)
were ground off sides by previous JEEP mud dragger.
Passed it off as a 360!! Surface rust,needs cleaned. I
beleive it is standard or maybe.030.Have not looked at
it for awhile.  Can try a std and a .030 piston in the
bore to see. Located in central Illinois. $200. Have
hoist to load into your truck.Thankyou,Joe 

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:00:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod // backwards six
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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" From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
" 
" On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Jim Blair wrote:
" 
" > Anyone know if the early AMC 6 cyls were the same pattern as anything else? 
" 
" That's a damn good question. I suspect it's just some old Nash
" pattern and not much else.

afaik the 172/184/196 and '64-'71 199/232/258 share it, but that's it.
i don't think even nash's older big sixes [eg. nash-healey 252] have it.
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Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:04:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod // backwards six
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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" From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
" 
" IIRC the TER front drives put the engine pretty much over the axle - neither in
" front nor behind. Might need some weight in the front to keep it from becoming a
" wheelstander. :)

they do, with the tranny alongside the engine and in a light car such
as tom wants, this drivetrain could easily be 1/3 or more of the car's
total weight.

i think it'd definitely need a -lot- of front end weight!
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:12:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod // backwards six
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610051012.k95AC1L21269@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

" From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
" 
" A: The later Caddy V8 (including Northstar) uses a 60 degree pattern, same 
" as the 2.8L Chev V6 and AMC 2.5L. (I hear the Chev 2.5L had 2 different bolt 
" patterns)

both the iron puke and buick 3.8 were changed to 60* pattern, from sbc
and b-o-p respectively, in the mid '80s.  the caddy 4.1/4.5/4.9 and
-olds- northstar were designed with the 60*.

" I don't think there is enough room (at the bellhousing) to swap an 
" AMC motor into the BOP TH425 or later Caddy FWD trans.

i'm surprised.  the th425 took caddy 500s and olds 455s, and the olds
350 on the later transaxle is basically a low-deck 455 block.
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Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:15:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610051015.k95AFQ621312@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

" From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
" 
" Just had another thought today. Landrover kept the Nailhead pattern and if 
" the trans they used can be beefed up more than a 42RE 

it might just be a th400 the whole way, but with luck it'll be a
700r4/4L60 or 4L80...
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Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:43:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: " Russell T. Neyhart" <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Coil and leaf spring questions.
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Good Morning,

I am looking to replace the springs on my Eagle, front and rear, with a setup for improved handling.  I'd like progressive rate coils for the front, but since I am not as familiar with leafs as with coils, I need some help!

I don't expect my Eagle to be a "sports car" however I'd like to improve it to handle as well as it can for those times when I am not using it as a station wagon, i.e. filled with children, groceries, or just lots o' stuff.

I see that Espo <http://www.espo.com/> has "variable rate" coil springs that I think might do the trick although I have not contacted them as of yet.  Rambler Dan, I see from your Web site that you've got them listed.  How do you like them?  Has anyone used any others?

As for leaf springs, the composite springs that Flex-A-Form <http://www.flex-a-form.com/> produces and their Flex-Form torque arrestor system look interesting, but is there anyone who has used this setup or composite springs in general?  One other concern I would have would be that from what I gather, a composite setup would weigh half (or less) than the current steel springs.  I am wondering if this would throw off the front-to-rear weight bias, however I suppose that the difference between, for example, an Eagle Wagon and Sedan would be greater than steel and composite springs.

Any advice, suggestions, stories as to what any of you have done, with good, bad, or funny results, will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks so much.

Regards,

Russell
1988 Eagle Wagon
http://home.earthlink.net/~rtneyhart/


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:45:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: " Russell T. Neyhart" <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Reply to Eddie Stakes about trailer hitch.
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Good Morning Eddie,

I'm sorry this has taken so long, however, I was the guy who asked about the trailer hitch a long while back.  I am going to pass on the bumper hitch, and probably just can the whole idea of towing altogether.  I really don't want a heavy hunk of steel hanging off of the rear.  I have a pickup anyway.  Thanks so much.

Regards,

Russell


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:49:13 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod // backwards six
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
	<100520061149.29155.4524F139000233DF000071E321602813020E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
	

The diff and trans are BESIDE the engine, with the drive axle running between the bell housing and engine oil pan. There's a large chain from the rear of the torque converter over to the front of the transmission, which then goes forward and bolts directly to a differential. Think of it like a 4x4 transfer cas mounted directly to the back of the bell housing and the trans mounted where the front driveshaft would normally go. That's exactly what it is! 

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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
Date: Wed,  4 Oct 2006 21:11:03 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod // backwards six

IIRC the TER front drives put the engine pretty much over the axle - neither in
front nor behind. Might need some weight in the front to keep it from becoming a
wheelstander. :)

Ken 


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