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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Versailles rear end question (Jeff Reeves)
2. Re: Need help t/s ac problem on 83 Spirit (John Elle)
3. Correct Original Battery for 74 AMX (markskur1@xxxxxxx)
4. Re: my 62 classic project (Sandwich Maker)
5. ten cent listings (Eddie Stakes)
6. FLAmbo an Ambo (Brien Tourville)
7. Re: Correct Original Battery for 74 AMX (Ken Ames)
8. Re: my 62 classic project (Tom Jennings)
9. Re Batteries (Bill Strobel)
10. Re: FLAmbo an Ambo (Sandwich Maker)
11. Re: Correct Original Battery for 74 AMX (mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx)
12. interesting collection/new AMC buyer 1972 (Eddie Stakes)
13. fee-bait ten cent listing false alarm (Eddie Stakes)
14. Swapping Mat DRUMS for front discs (Jesse)
15. Re: Swapping Mat DRUMS for front discs (Sandwich Maker)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:57:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Reeves <amcnut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Versailles rear end question
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If you get it, make darn sure you get the parking brake cables and ALL hardware. Some of that stuff is not available any more through Ford and is impossible to find. If you can buy new calipers and rotors for it, that's all OK.
It will be a bulletproof rear end. Of course, I like them just fine in the Versailles. I happen to also be a fan of the Granada/Monarch/Versailles cars....
Wait, did I just say that in public? ;-)
Jeff Reeves
Auburn GA
94 Cherokee
79 Spirit
72 Javelin SST
69 Ambassador DPL
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:49:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Found Lincoln Versailles Rearend- still a good
choice for rear discs?
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OK, so traveling in the middle of nowhere in the
Ozarks, I run across a complete Lincoln Versailles
(fancy Ford Granada)! THese all came with Ford 9 Inch
rears with Disc Brakes.
Over the years, I have used plenty of 9 inches in
small AMC's and have always heard of the Lincoln rear
option. The Company I work with has some reman's
calipers available (Cardone Industries or "A1 Cardone"
as they are commonly known).
Is there any downside to this Versailles setup, other
than the weight? I am leaving my 79 AMX 258/4 spd
pretty stock, but I have another 79 with a 70 model
360 (with Factory R4B!) and Mustang T5 that is in the
works and I think this Versailles rear would be a good
match. Opinions from those of you who have tried it
before?
Thanks,
Jesse
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:59:44 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Need help t/s ac problem on 83 Spirit
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Marty, Tom
SNIP
> I am not sure that there is a low pressure safety switch to jump. I
have
> never seen one on an AMC A/C unit.
I am all but certain my 73 hornet parts car had one, with a
York type compressor. Up in the hose near the receiver/dryer.
But you're right more often than me, maybe I hallucinated it.
SNIP
I stand corrected. I found an 83 wiring diagram and there is a low
pressure switch.
Also on my 1980 there is one too according to the wiring diagram, but
even with all of the work I have done on it, I never saw one. Go figure!
My 1974 documentation does not show one and I surely don't remember one
on my 1977 but then again maybe I never had to look for one.
Anyhow I can send the 1983 wiring diagram to some one if they want it.
John
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:00:59 -0400
From: markskur1@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Correct Original Battery for 74 AMX
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Can somebody please direct me regarding the correct battery for a 74 AMX?
I am looking to put in a correct battery, and would like to know ehich one that would be.
Thanks,
Mark
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:27:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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" From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" would that $175 for that whole set up be worth it or would i be just as well off to go with the mustang II kit?
i agree with tom and john - that's a good deal and -much- closer to a
straight bolt on than the mustang kit would ever be, only a little
tinkering to make things fit.
" also, anyone know the diamater of the concord brakes? thanks for the help.
all amc disks are small enough to clear 14" wheels - iirc 10.8" or
something like that.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:36:03 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] ten cent listings
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Woo hoo, fee-bay has ten cent listings today and tomorrow so if you have
anything you wish to unload at a big discount price, go do it now at
www.ebay.com Some stuff that normally would cost $5 to list is only 10 cents
so good bargain if you do that sort of stuff.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:23:28 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] FLAmbo an Ambo
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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yes, disk swaps are as easy as the smaller cars. all amc spindles
bolt on the same way since the '50s.
______________________________________________________________________
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Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet
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adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none
thought
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so........ 1978 Ambo spindles won't bolt into a '55 Ambo ?>
Brien Tourville
NEW YORK
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:13:18 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Correct Original Battery for 74 AMX
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AFAIK the originals were of a size called '24F'. 24 for the basic battery and
the 'F' to indicate the Ford position of the posts.
Ken
Quoting markskur1@xxxxxxx:
> Can somebody please direct me regarding the correct battery for a 74 AMX?
> I am looking to put in a correct battery, and would like to know ehich one
> that would be.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:39:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
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dave wrote
> time that this will bolt right up to my 62 classic spindles.
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, John Elle wrote:
> This will not bolt up to the spindle. It will have to be changed too.
See? John is always right :-)
I missed this little ummm detail. You want the disk brake
spindles also. Your drum spindles MIGHT work -- the only
difference 'tween 'em is overall height, which determines
caliper::rotor position and most importantly, whether the dust
shield and other junk klunks into the steerin knuckle.
If it clears, it's fine.
There is a "tall" spindle and a "short" spindle. As far as I
know, most disc setups use tall spindles.
I became minorly obsessed with this issue once upon a time.
See here: http://wps.com/AMC/spindles.html
> But it is part of the kit as stated.
> The spindles unbolt from the steering knuckle with the same 4 bolts that
> hold the brakes on. And I think that Tom mentioned that configuration
> goes back for many years well in to the early '50's.
> This is a bolt on, however you may have to solve some clearance issues.
> This depends on the particular year disc brake and the car you are
> putting it on. Some years of calipers make it easier if you reverse the
> location of the caliper. To do this move the bleeder to the top and the
> brake line to the bottom of the calipers and bolt it onto the opposite
> side. The bleeder always wants to be at the top no matter the location
> of the calipers.
> .
> All you need for the Concord/Spirit setup is a pair of new XJ hoses and
> banjo bolts. Straight in hoses as used on the Concord won't work on pre
> 72 vehicles as the steering knuckle interferes with hose routing. The
> banjo type hoses mount 90 degrees to the caliper and allow plenty
> clearance. You can find the bolts in any hotrod shop (get bolts for GM
> calipers), or Jeep dealer, even the junk yard, a motor cycle shop or
> even better auto parts stores. .
>
> Then again, you may not even need them.
> .
> I have heard of disc brakes working safely with no change of the master
> cylinder. You just have to be aware of fluid levels and check them often
> as the reservoir may not be big enough.
> Also the hot rod market has proportioning valves and assorted parts to
> do jobs such as this if needed.
>
> SNIP
> i have also been told the mustang II brake kits work with minor work?
> SNIP
>
> I do not think that this is true at all, or at least not inexpensively
> or easily.
>
> SNIP
> would that $175 for that whole set up be worth it
> SNIP
> Smoking deal, 'specially if everything is re-usable with just a clean up
> and rebuild.
> This is the set up I have on a shelf ready to do onto my Donohue if I
> need to do some serious work on the existing 4 piston OEM units.
>
> John
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:23:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Strobel <theamcguy@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Re Batteries
To: List AMC <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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The battery you want is a Clear Power. Unfortunately
they are not made anymore.
http://www.antiqueautobattery.com/G24R/e-l.htm
This place here has a very close reproduction for what
you need. It is not 100% correct but is a lot better
that what you can get anywhere else. They are not
cheap but if you are looking for an authentic look
they are the answer. They have reproduction batteries
for all 1962-1974 AMCs and the 1974 batteries can be
used up to 1978 with no problem except a minor
appearance difference from OEM. Hope this helps.
Bill Strobel
Independent Towing
Fayetteville NC
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:38:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] FLAmbo an Ambo
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200608152138.k7FLc2N11364@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
"
"
"
" yes, disk swaps are as easy as the smaller cars. all amc spindles
" bolt on the same way since the '50s.
" ______________________________________________________________________
" __
" Andrew Hay the genius nature
"
"
" ------------------------------
"
"
" so........ 1978 Ambo spindles won't bolt into a '55 Ambo ?>
i don't actually know; my expertise stops at the early '60s. i
wouldn't be a bit surprised if they fit though.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:51:06 GMT
From: mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Correct Original Battery for 74 AMX
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: markskur1@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200608152150.k7FLouAw047317@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 01:00 PM
From:
Can somebody please direct me regarding the correct battery for a 74 AMX?
I am looking to put in a correct battery, and would like to know ehich one
that
would be.
Thanks,
Mark,etal
Antique Auto Battery in Ohio makes reproduction AMC batterys, as close to
period correct as you can get. The make group 24 batterys for both A-Mark and
AM script logo periods. They also can special order a group 22 battery which
is for earlier smaller, AMC for early 60's AMCs. They are not CHEAP, at about
$150 with shipping plus it's shipped dry and you have to go out and buy
battery fulid for it on top of the $150 plus bucks. I'm on my second one ,
they last about as long as the 3 year warrenty. I'll let some else look up the
web site if you are really interested. LRDaum
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:45:10 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] interesting collection/new AMC buyer 1972
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Ever seen one of these? It is a full collection of stuff you would get when
you bought your new 1972 AMC vehicle:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330018722121
sadly the only thing that shows this car once existed, and it was a 21,000
mile car, is this collection showing it was sold. :~(
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:47:54 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] fee-bait ten cent listing false alarm
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Eh, I must be getting old,t hat 'ten cent listing' fee-bay has is only if
you have a ebay store and move your junk to regular auctions. So everyone
else who don't have a store gets the usual old hoo hah! It looks great on
the front page of their website with big TEN CENT LISTING that I didn't even
have to put my reading glasses on. Damned dollar store reading glasses. But
you read the little print it is for those who have a fee-bait store only.
What a rip, at least put it in big letters type so us older fogeys with
eyesite going to heck can see it! Sorry for false alarm, everyone back
behind the wheel.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:58:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Swapping Mat DRUMS for front discs
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060816025853.64070.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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OK, my fault for not specifying that the car currently
has drums, not Kelsey Discs.
WHat models of AMC will interchange with it?
Thanks,
Jesse
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:17:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Swapping Mat DRUMS for front discs
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200608160317.k7G3Hb912262@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" OK, my fault for not specifying that the car currently
" has drums, not Kelsey Discs.
"
" WHat models of AMC will interchange with it?
makes no difference. you still have to swap the spindles and they all
bolt on the same way.
put another way: all cars use the same knuckles whether they have
drums or disks. the difference is the stuff hung off the knuckle. in
addition, all '70-up cars - both big and small - use the same front
suspension 'knee' assembly [pacer excepted].
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adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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