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Today's Topics:
1. MollyFloggin update (Michael Bailey)
2. Re: Pre-75 I-6 Harmonic Balancer (John Elle)
3. Fire in the Hole (JOE FULTON)
4. Re: Fire in the Hole (Kim Bueler)
5. Re: 4.0 Humpster for sale (Todd Tomason)
6. Re: 4.0 Humpster for sale (msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx)
7. Dunkin donuts scam (Jim Blair)
8. Gray Marine (Jim Blair)
9. Re: 4.0 Humpster for sale-window (John Elle)
10. (no subject) (carr142@xxxxxxx)
11. Re: Dave's 62 Classic Tail Light Lenses (Frank Swygert)
12. Re: Rusty rotors? (Frank Swygert)
13. Re: Pre-75 I-6 Harmonic Balancer (Frank Swygert)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:52:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] MollyFloggin update
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I just pulled the 500-mile oil change on Molly's cam
job. The oil was absolutely gorgeous, barely
beginning to change color. No fuel smell, sparklies,
debris, sludge or anything else. To add to the
recent controversy, I used the cheapest oil in town
(Coastal from AutoZone is like 1.68). There was about
7 ounces of assembly lubricant in there also. The oil
filter this time is an AC PF-24(isn't this the
original spec?). That is the same filter used upon R
& R of the mechanicals. I go back and forth between
the AC and NAPA's equivalent, depending on where I am
in town at the time.
The bad news is that I detected a light but definite
knocking, now that everything is nice and quiet. I
have traced it down to the balancer, however. At
least it's not in the internals. I haven't been able
to chase one down in the normal parts channels yet.
This is the obsolete pre-75 version, that has the
thinner wall at the back. Anybody know of a source
here in Phoenix? I do have pulleys and fan spacers
etc. if I have to go with the newer style. But the
problem is the Motorola alternator mount, which is
unable to be moved out and would probably require a
conversion to Delco. Got any good balancers up there
in Glendale, John? I also run delivery to be able to
spot cars around town. Keep me in mind. I have
spotted two Spirits recently around this part of town.
Oh yeah. That Gremlin back when in the flood
actually DID swim, disturbingly, for about
tendy-eleven seconds, straight sideways towards the
6-foot dropoff on that side of the crossing.
mike
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:48:50 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Pre-75 I-6 Harmonic Balancer
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000001c6a48c$2cc4ceb0$e2dd0d82@john1>
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Michael
SNIP
This is the obsolete pre-75 version, that has the
thinner wall at the back. Anybody know of a source
here in Phoenix?
SNIP
I have a rebuilt early (I think '73) 232 that I am sitting on as a
possible spare for my 76 if needed. It has a Harmonic Balancer on it
along with brackets etc. I have not compared 76 vs '73 configuration as
it has not become important yet to do so but if they are truly different
than I may have what you want. I am under the impression that the one
on the engine stand and the one in the car are configured the same so
brackets etc. along with accessories will interchange.
The engine has less than 10,000 miles on a rebuild.
The other suggestion would be to get a hold of Bob Green. He has
ownership in a restoration body shop and has been known to convert I-6
early AMC's to go fast V8's and may have a parts stash or know where one
is.
Don't forget that there are rebuilders out there.
John
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:49:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fire in the Hole
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Well, thanks to John Elle and Alan Cardain (norCal
AMCs) I have finally hooked up all the little vacuum
hoses and other supporting systems on my 77 Gremlin X.
I fired it off this afternoon and it does run.
I couldn't run it long on the small temporary gas tank
because it took quite a bit of fuel with the return
fuel going to the fuel tank on the car. But it does
run.
Interestingly this car has the BID prest-no-lite
ignition system and the ignition wires to the
distributor were never soldered on this car IAW the
service bulletin. I left it as it is, because the
plug is sure convenient. If I ever get a "no fire"
situation, I'll know to check that connection.
The engine came from a 76 Hornet I parted out. The
two barrel manifold and BBD carb are from the Gremlin
motor which was seized with copious amounts of water
in the oil. I had the 904 tranny completely rebuilt
in a local shop recommended to me. I told them just
replace what's necessary and from the looks of the
invoice, they replaced most of the hard parts as well
as all of the clutches etc. $1000 and I took the
tranny to them. I put new KYB shocks on the front
last week and have KYBs for the rear and new brake
hoses yet to install. I have to finish patching the
grille and refinish it and the headlight doors.
I ordered a rebuilt BBD carb from National Carburetor
today, because the car had been sitting for years and
I had heard plenty of horror stories about the BBDs so
I wanted a warranty.
Next I have to drop the gas tank and clean it, then
begin work on the weatherstripping, and beltline
moldings. Then try to color sand and buff the factory
paint and perhaps order new X stripe decals if I can
bring the paint back enough to deserve new stripes.
To same some money I will try reusing carpet from a
Hornet AMX I am intending to part out, as well as the
door panels. The seats are being recovered now at a
local upholstery shop, with original material (so-70s
orange plaid) I got from SMS in Oregon.
Let's see, where was I in 1977. I had just moved my
family to Golden, CO and was working at a consulting
firm. The AMC dealer nearest me was Bob Bundy AMC
Jeep on Colfax Avenue. At about that time I bought a
68 Rambler American to drive to work and let my wife
keep the Volvo during the day. My kids were seven,
two, and one years of age. Life was good.
Far out, dude.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:34:43 -0400
From: "Kim Bueler" <kimbueler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fire in the Hole
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Joe, I don't know if that is the same problems that my '75 Gremlin had
before we spliced the wire but if it is, when this wire decided to get flaky
it would also do it on the fly, there were many times before I found out
what the problem was that I would be driving down the highway and boom, no
power whatsoever, the car just shut down.
So you might want to re-think the only "no-fire" situation.
Of course your mileage may vary.
Regards,
Kim Bueler - '75 Gremlin X 360 V8
----- Original Message -----
From: "JOE FULTON" <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:49 PM
Subject: [AMC-List] Fire in the Hole
>
> Interestingly this car has the BID prest-no-lite
> ignition system and the ignition wires to the
> distributor were never soldered on this car IAW the
> service bulletin. I left it as it is, because the
> plug is sure convenient. If I ever get a "no fire"
> situation, I'll know to check that connection.
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:02:48 -0500
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 4.0 Humpster for sale
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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My dad always told me, "You don't learn if you don't ask." What does "window
the block" mean? Never heard that before.
Todd
On Monday 10 July 2006 08:47, Widiker, John D wrote:
> I'm selling the 4.0 humpster, managed to window the block pretty well.
> It's a 1971 6cyl Javelin that's pretty darn solid. The 4.0 is obviously
> toast but it's an engine swap away from working again, it had great
> power and mileage with the 4.0.
>
> I've been working very long hours at the shop and time to put it back
> together again when I've got 3 other personal projects going is hard to
> come by.
>
> The AX-15 transmission could use a rebuild (noisy) but works fine. A
> fuel cell setup would also be a good idea. It's got manual drum brakes.
> Floors (trunk and pass compartment) are almost perfect, dented passenger
> front fender, some pass compartment side rocker patching is needed.
> Asking $1400.00, will barter for 1970 amx stuff, high perf amc 360 v-8
> parts, Pontiac engines/parts or a running 401 engine.
>
> ~John
>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 03:23:27 +0000
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 4.0 Humpster for sale
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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<071120060323.7930.44B319AE000EF52100001EFA2209224627019D0A0790019D9F9C03@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Something put a window in the block. Get it?
-Spro
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> My dad always told me, "You don't learn if you don't ask." What does "window
> the block" mean? Never heard that before.
>
> Todd
>
> On Monday 10 July 2006 08:47, Widiker, John D wrote:
> > I'm selling the 4.0 humpster, managed to window the block pretty well.
> > It's a 1971 6cyl Javelin that's pretty darn solid. The 4.0 is obviously
> > toast but it's an engine swap away from working again, it had great
> > power and mileage with the 4.0.
> >
> > I've been working very long hours at the shop and time to put it back
> > together again when I've got 3 other personal projects going is hard to
> > come by.
> >
> > The AX-15 transmission could use a rebuild (noisy) but works fine. A
> > fuel cell setup would also be a good idea. It's got manual drum brakes.
> > Floors (trunk and pass compartment) are almost perfect, dented passenger
> > front fender, some pass compartment side rocker patching is needed.
> > Asking $1400.00, will barter for 1970 amx stuff, high perf amc 360 v-8
> > parts, Pontiac engines/parts or a running 401 engine.
> >
> > ~John
> >
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:18:11 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Dunkin donuts scam
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:22:59 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Gray Marine
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Had a customer come in today looking for a fuel pump for his 327 boat
engine. Hooked him up with a non-glass bowl version for a '66 Jeep 327 (it
will need minor reclocking of the lines) Couldn't believe how much of a
hassle it was to find the part (punk ass kid working at my store tossed all
the old books when the new ones came in because "they were like outdated and
stuff". This from a kid driving a'71 Buick Riv!)
Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:27:40 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 4.0 Humpster for sale-window
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Tod,
SNIP
Something put a window in the block. Get it?
-Spro
SNIP
When I purchased my 1980 Spirit one of the minor problems was part of
the number 1 cylinder connecting rod was hanging out the 'WINDOW'. You
shudda seen the major problems
John
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 16:17:24 -0400
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:54:57 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Dave's 62 Classic Tail Light Lenses
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But Dave, just remember to check with vendors next time! could probably
have got those lenses for half that price through one of the AMC
vendors. No point ipaying inflated prices for repro lenses.
On July 10, 2006 Mr. AMC wrote:
> Dave if you listen to all the wives you would never buy anything,
except
> jewelry for them. I came into a large sum of tax free money 2 years
ago.
> My wife wanted half, yea right "When Donkeys Fly". My 2 son's and
grand
> son got some. The wife got an 800$ diamond bracelet that she wore 2
> times and lost it wearing it to work from the house 6 blocks to the
bus
> stop. I was nice enough to buy her another telling her it was the
last
> time and not to wear it to work. I would think you were worth what
ever
> a set of tail light lenses cost and much more having to be over there
in
> that hell hole. Keep your head down and come home safe.
> "Doc"
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:14:21 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rusty rotors?
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Just spray some WD-40 or silicone on them. That will hold off the rust
until you drive it again. Should burn right off the first couple times
the brakes are used. Just be careful those first couple times -- should
be like having wet brakes.
On July 10, 2006 markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> I am sitting here thinking is there anything that can safely be
sprayed on a brake rotor to stop it from rusting while a vehicle is in
non-use?
> I'm talking parked for a few weeks to a month, but not in long term
storage.
> Something that could be sprayed thru the wheels and behind to slow
the rust down, but it would need to be self cleaning.
> I know, dream on, but our Jeep can sometimes sit for weeks at a
time and the rotors have rusted in till we've lost a good third of the
braking power and it vibrates, not from warped rotors, but from rust.
We've been using it regularly, but the rust is heavy enough it's not
cleaning off and I expect to be replacing rotors and pads soon.
> I'm also planning on swapping mid nineties Grand Cherokee rear
discs on it at the same time, although I can't decide if that is a good
idea with the rust issues.
> Right now, the brakes just plain suck on it and I need to get it
fixed! The reason for the rear disc swap is I've heard nothing but good
reports on this and I've never been impressed with XJ braking! I'm
looking for a little more whoa!
> Even when the brakes have been good on the XJ's I've owned they never
seemed up to par. I can always remembr that feeling of doom, if you
don't hit the clutch when you hit the brake pedal as it seems the
torque of the 4.0L is better then the clamping force of the XJ brakes!
I'd like to be able to stall the engine in a panic stop without hitting
someones rear bumper to do it!
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:20:05 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Pre-75 I-6 Harmonic Balancer
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IIRC the brackets and mounts changed around 1974. PS pump was moved,
brackets bolted to the intake. If it's a pretty basic car you probably
won't notice much difference. Some bolts were made bigger in hte timing
cover to accomodate the bracket changes.
On July 10, 2006 John Elle wrote:
> Michael
> SNIP
> This is the obsolete pre-75 version, that has the
> thinner wall at the back. Anybody know of a source
> here in Phoenix?
> SNIP
> I have a rebuilt early (I think '73) 232 that I am sitting on as a
> possible spare for my 76 if needed. It has a Harmonic Balancer on it
> along with brackets etc. I have not compared 76 vs '73 configuration
as
> it has not become important yet to do so but if they are truly
different
> than I may have what you want. I am under the impression that the
one
> on the engine stand and the one in the car are configured the same
so
> brackets etc. along with accessories will interchange.
> The engine has less than 10,000 miles on a rebuild.
> The other suggestion would be to get a hold of Bob Green. He has
> ownership in a restoration body shop and has been known to convert
I-6
> early AMC's to go fast V8's and may have a parts stash or know where
one
> is.
> Don't forget that there are rebuilders out there.
> John
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