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Today's Topics:
1. 70AMX Grill (Richard Estermyer)
2. Re: 70AMX Grill (Mark Price)
3. Marlins for sale (Vince Scamardo)
4. Re: best oil filter for a 390? (Ken Siroonian)
5. Frmr AMC Chairman in Virginia's "Northern Virginia Daily"
(Archimedes)
6. oil filters (russ hathaway)
7. Engine mount hassles (russ hathaway)
8. Re: Engine mount hassles (Ken Ames)
9. Re: Engine mount hassles (Mark Price)
10. ram air - air cleaner base (Armand Eshleman)
11. Re: oil filters (Jock J Jocewicz)
12. Re: Engine mount hassles (francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
13. Damn Rain (Mr. AMC)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:16:24 -0400
From: "Richard Estermyer" <javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 70AMX Grill
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Hey Group,
I found a guy in VA that is looking for two 1970 AMX Grills for two customer
projects that he has, anyone have a lead and I can hook you up with him.
Thanks!
Richard
Richard Estermyer
6235 S. Mohawk Avenue
Ypsilanti, MI 48197
734.483.5187 evenings
734.417.9456 NEW cell
javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 6:43:15 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 70AMX Grill
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Richard Estermyer <javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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I don't know where any are, but when I was at the AMCRC show on Saturday and the 70 AMX had it's hood up I told both my boys to stay the hell away from the grille! I didn't have that much money with me!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Richard Estermyer <javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hey Group,
> I found a guy in VA that is looking for two 1970 AMX Grills for two customer
> projects that he has, anyone have a lead and I can hook you up with him.
>
> Thanks!
> Richard
>
> Richard Estermyer
> 6235 S. Mohawk Avenue
> Ypsilanti, MI 48197
>
> 734.483.5187 evenings
> 734.417.9456 NEW cell
> javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:59:54 -0500
From: "Vince Scamardo" <vscamardo@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Marlins for sale
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I have a 1965 & a 1966 marlin that needs a good home I also have a complete
set of parts from another 327 twinstick I parted because the body was to far
gone to save. the 1965 is a auto console shift, bucket seats, 327 with
78,000 miles and ran when I parked it. the 1966 is a column shift 327 auto
with bench seat. The parted out 66 is a 327 twin stick. (it ran when I
parted it) I have everything except the body. It seems that I am not going
to be able to get to those projects so I would like them to go to someone
that would use them. Please feel free to make a reasonable offer. Pick-up
only, in Arkansas. Give me a few days and I can have pictures.
Thanks, Vince
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:20:09 -0400
From: Ken Siroonian <KSiroonian@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] best oil filter for a 390?
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I also hear the wix/dan filketer are excelelnt, but over the last 30
years I have bought different brands depending on where i coudl get
them or if the were on sale or what not, inclduing sears 99 cent
filters, or purolater or fram. I have never had a failure with any of
them, so far knock on wood, and I use the fram also on my newer 1997-
2000-2002-2003 chrysler t and c van, and our rodeo trooper and axiom,
with no issues. I also use the ac delco and was not aware they stopped
making them. I thought I saw the ph24 or 25 whatever it is at the
autozone. never had a 390, but on my javelein and ambo with the 360, I
had used the long filter purolator or fram PH11 is it? I bought a bunch
of filters form the local deaprtment stores here a few years ago when
they wnet out of business. they had both the long and short still ont
he shelves- Frams- and for a quarter couldn't resist grabbing them. so
far so good. I do make it a habit to fill the filters any time I change
the oil on any of the cars. I am sure the too Jiffy lubes do that as
well.LOL. Now were you saying that they dont make the longer filter
anymore or any filter for the 390?. because I thought they all turned
into the shorter ones. In 75 when amc made pacer and had a lower
clearance from the filter end to the frame they swithed to the shorter
filter on all the amc models and v-8's even going backwards as a
substitute as they sold out the supply of longer filters. I thought and
never considered an issue with the shorter one if you changed the oil
enough- or is there? I still will use my stash of longer
purolator/frams on the v8-s on the older v-8's. does the pacer v-8 take
a special filter or just the usual 6 cylinder one? I hear it had to
change the filter location due to clearnace and is a remote offset.I
just pciked it up last week and I should/ will need to change the oil
when I get back from vacation and flush it out due to its sitting a
year or so. Probalby use the valvoline high mileage stuff- or any other
recomendations? 116K miles I think. regards.
Oh interesting but the recent vintage 4.2 litre GM Vortec straight six
cylinder engine ( used on t-blazer- envoy -asccender, etc) uses the
same filter PH3675 as the early to mid 80's amc 4.2 litre 258 6
cylinder- like my 85 eagle.
Regards and happy 4th of July, God bless America-n AMC.
K.
n July 3, 2006 John Elle wrote:
> I am afraid this could be one of the arguments that could go on for
ever
> with no real solutions out of it but, I will agree that WIX Filters
are
> very good filters and probably on the whole better than Fram. They
also
> make the Filters used by CarQuest auto stores.
> As I do visit the CarQuest store as a matter of preference I usually
> will buy my filters there, but I generally buy the bottom line and
> change them every 3000 miles. But on the other hand I have a shelf
full
> of Fram Filters at the present because I found them on sale and as I
> maintain an I6 Spirit, an '80 AMX, a Donohue, a '94 Saturn and a 96
> Chrysler T&C + 2 cars under construction and I drive 30,000 miles +
a
> year and have most of my life I have never had a failure with a Fram
> Filter and see no reason why not to run one.
> I frankly do not think for a basic street driven engine with no more
> worries other than it starts and gets to the grocery store and back
that
> it really makes much of a difference what filter you run. Just
change
> oil every 3000 miles or so and call it good to go.
> John.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 20:40:25 -0400
From: Archimedes <Freedom@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Frmr AMC Chairman in Virginia's "Northern Virginia
Daily"
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Good old Gerry "Joe Lunchbucket" Meyers... still alive and kicking...
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Gerald Meyers, former chairman of American Motors Corp. who now teaches
at the University of Michigan, said the potential equity interest was
"an opening ..."
<http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/T/TRACINDA_GM_ALLIANCE?SITE=VASTR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT>
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Interestingly, Meyers doesn't look a day older now than he did while
chairman of AMC:
http://www.aeispeakers.com/print.php?SpeakerID=691
Either that or that's an old photo.
-- Marc
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:31:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] oil filters
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you will see all sorts of "tests" by people
bad-mouthing the Frams, and I don't know why. Perhaps
the original tester had a bone to pick with Fram,
maybe a disgruntled employee, I don't know. I do know
that I have been running Fram PH-11 in all my AMCs for
years. I have never lost an engine, either 6 or 8, and
start up chatter is non-existant. Of course I follow
several time tested must-dos;
-change oil and filter every 3k miles.
-use a quality detergent oil. I run basically
Valvoline 10-40 unless conditions call for something
else.
-Extreme use require modofications to your engine, do
so and don't scrimp.
-I flush out my engine with every change using
Risoline and following directions.
I am not against using other brands, and used
Frams even when I was racing my Gremlin. But Fram has
served me well and I have a shelf full of them. Let
the argument begin......Russ
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:44:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Engine mount hassles
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I dropped the 232 into my 69 American recently and
remember that it was a PIA. I left both engine mount
bisquits loose, with the nut grabbing a couple of
threads, and dropped the engine slowly. Working with
me on one side, my buddy on the other, we pushed and
pried the engine around. It went in a lot harder than
I expected, but it did go in. We had the manifolds
attached......Russ
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:44:01 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Engine mount hassles
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Makes one wonder what was the trick they used at the factory to install engines.
Ken
Quoting russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>:
> I dropped the 232 into my 69 American recently and
> remember that it was a PIA. I left both engine mount
> bisquits loose, with the nut grabbing a couple of
> threads, and dropped the engine slowly. Working with
> me on one side, my buddy on the other, we pushed and
> pried the engine around. It went in a lot harder than
> I expected, but it did go in. We had the manifolds
> attached......Russ
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:50:59 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Engine mount hassles
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Simple the engines and trans came in from underneath in one piece!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Makes one wonder what was the trick they used at the factory to install engines.
>
> Ken
>
> Quoting russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > I dropped the 232 into my 69 American recently and
> > remember that it was a PIA. I left both engine mount
> > bisquits loose, with the nut grabbing a couple of
> > threads, and dropped the engine slowly. Working with
> > me on one side, my buddy on the other, we pushed and
> > pried the engine around. It went in a lot harder than
> > I expected, but it did go in. We had the manifolds
> > attached......Russ
> >
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:36:55 -0500
From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] ram air - air cleaner base
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <005f01c6a08b$e7bf2580$6601a8c0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-1971-AMC-SC-360-Hornet-Machine-Ram-Air-Base_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ10076QQihZ011QQitemZ320003338423QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
Can some one please check this air cleaner base and let me know if it looks
correct for what the seller states??
sometimes you have to paste each bit into the browser to get it all to work.
Also would it work on a 70 Javelin ram air setup??
thanks,
Armand
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:39:49 -0500
From: Jock J Jocewicz <namdra@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] oil filters
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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My feelings on the Fram filters are that they are OK to use on a stock
or mild engine but over there years a lot of NAMDRA members have had
problems with Fram filters in their race cars or street/strip machines,
so I say steer clear of Fram filter in a modified AMC engine.
On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:31:24 -0700 (PDT) russ hathaway
<russh97309@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> you will see all sorts of "tests" by people
> bad-mouthing the Frams, and I don't know why. Perhaps
> the original tester had a bone to pick with Fram,
> maybe a disgruntled employee, I don't know. I do know
> that I have been running Fram PH-11 in all my AMCs for
> years. I have never lost an engine, either 6 or 8, and
> start up chatter is non-existant. Of course I follow
> several time tested must-dos;
> -change oil and filter every 3k miles.
> -use a quality detergent oil. I run basically
> Valvoline 10-40 unless conditions call for something
> else.
> -Extreme use require modofications to your engine, do
> so and don't scrimp.
> -I flush out my engine with every change using
> Risoline and following directions.
> I am not against using other brands, and used
> Frams even when I was racing my Gremlin. But Fram has
> served me well and I have a shelf full of them. Let
> the argument begin......Russ
>
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>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 04:54:55 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Engine mount hassles
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It's been a while sine I put an engine in a Hornet or 64+ American. The
196 engined cars (specifically my 63 Classic) I remember because that's
the last one I pulled an engine from. The 196 mounts are directly on the
crossmember, no perches, but that's not a factor. The mounts have only
one stud on the bottom, that might be. The hole on one side (I believe
the driver's side) is slotted, the other one is not. You had to put the
stud in the non-slotted hole first. The other one was slotted so the
stud would slide in at an angle with the other side already in. I seem
to recall the 80 Concord I had to jack the engine up in to remove the
oil pan was the same way, but maybe not....
The trick the factory used was to put the crossmember on the engine with
nothing else attached, then lift the assembly up into the engine
compartment or lower the body on the crossmember/engine assembly. Easy
to move the crossmember around with nothing else (especially a body)
attached! I don't know what order the engine/plates/cushions/crossmember
were assembled. The crossmember/cushions/plates may have been assembled
then the engine slid between. Would have been easy enough to do out of
the body. The emphasis is always on assembly time, not maintenance. 90%
of the time the engine or mounts would never have to be removed in the
first five years of so, well after the warranty period and usually well
after the first owner was ready for a new car in the 60s. "Trading in"
every 3-5 years was pretty common back then!
---- original message ------------------------------------
Date: Wednesday, July 5, 2006 04:44 PM
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Makes one wonder what was the trick they used at the factory to install
engines.
Ken
Quoting russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>:
> I dropped the 232 into my 69 American recently and
> remember that it was a PIA. I left both engine mount
> bisquits loose, with the nut grabbing a couple of
> threads, and dropped the engine slowly. Working with
> me on one side, my buddy on the other, we pushed and
> pried the engine around. It went in a lot harder than
> I expected, but it did go in. We had the manifolds
> attached......Russ
>
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 06:44:26 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Damn Rain
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, amc_club_of_socal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
AmericanMotorsModelbuilders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, MacsOrphanCarGroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII
With all this rain I can't get no work done on my car. I am how ever
making some headway on stripping my AMX fender flairs. The damn grill is
still not in the car yet. :-(
"Doc"
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