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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: backfire through carb (Jim Blair)
   2. Re: 59 Classic parts (Jim Blair)
   3. Re: 6 manifold gasket question (Jim Blair)
   4. 6 manifold gasket question (JOE FULTON)
   5. Re: 6 manifold gasket question (Tom Jennings)
   6. Re: backfire through carb (Tom Jennings)
   7. dual snorkle (Eddie Stakes)
   8. 300M wheels on Eagles (Brien Tourville)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:28:07 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] backfire through carb
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Tooretarded is more likely to cause backfire under those conditions. Also 
vacuum leak, weak spark, too lean, cam walk are also in the running. Then 
there is sticking valves ( a bit of Marvel Mystery oil in the tank helps 
that!) and vacuum advance with a hole in it. If you're running points, the 
dist internal ground could be seperating, points getting too much 
resistance, and a whole lot of other things. (I could tell what it was if I 
could hear/see it in person)

Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73 
J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck http://www.virtualjeep.com

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From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] backfire through carb
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Message-ID: <1150867004.5747.57.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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No suggestions on the backfire? I think I'm wrong on it being
through
the carb, it just "sounds like it" while driving. I'll pull the
air
filter (annoyin Weber clips) this weekend to make sure it's not
in the
carb. Could be I suppose.

If it were through-carb backfire, on WOT/2000rpm, that would
only be too
much advance, right? So it would be firing before the intake
fully
closes?

Through more test driving I realized it backfires a lot of the
time,
always wide open throttle under relatively low-speed, high-load
conditions.

I'll re-check timing this weekend, but I know the total was 40
or so,
and that mech and vacc advances were at least working.

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:34:26 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 59 Classic parts
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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The logger probably thought it was a treehugger's car!


From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 59 Classic parts
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Came across a well used 59 Classic. The body is
straight save for one broken wing window. All chrome
is intact and remaining glass too. The windshield has
wiper marks, though. The interior is shot. 3-spd OD.
White with blue interior. A pissed off logger got
drunk and shot up the doors, floors are solid.
Headliner nice. Anyone need parts email me off list or
phone 503-589-9845 Pacific times, I'm in Oregon....Russ

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:36:16 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 6 manifold gasket question
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You have to seperate the intake/exhaust and replace the gasket between them 
to run the full intake/exhaust set and have it seal properly.


From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 6 manifold gasket question
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I got the Napa intake/exhaust gasket manifold gasket
set for my 6 cylinder Gremlin X.  The gasket set has
an intake gasket which naturally covers only the
intake manifold mating surface (to the cylinder head).
It also includes a complete one-piece intake/exhaust
manifold gasket.  I know many folks don't use anything
but the intake manifold gasket (like the factory), but
I want to use the complete gasket.  However, my
question is, can you use the intake manifold gasket
along with the complete one-piece gasket.

Also on the one piece gasket, it is not marked as to
which side goes toward the cylinder head.

BTW this appears to be a Victor gasket set relabeled
as a Napa part.  Any help appreciated before tomorrow
evening.

Regards,
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:52:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 6 manifold gasket question
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Thanks Tom, Glen, Jim for the info.  I knew about the
gasket between the manifolds, but Tom's response
provided what I needed about using the one piece
gasket and the separate intake manifold gasket.

I plan to tackle the assembly after work today and
move forward.  I still need to clean up the engine bay
and respray it with Sun Orange.  Interestingly that
color was still in the PPG catalog but the code for
AMC engine blue was not in the catalog.

I have new KYB shocks front and rear to install and
new brake hoses in front too.

Regards,
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:00:56 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 6 manifold gasket question
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On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 02:16 -0500, Glen Hoag wrote:
> IIRC, the FelPro set also includes a gasket that goes between the 
> intake and exhaust manifolds, so you have to remove the four studs 
> and separate the manifolds to install it.

Of course, I forgot that little detail.

tomj

> 
> >
> >I use the two-piece sets, and have had no problems with long-term leaks,
> >loosening, etc. To do the job right means you have to loosen the four
> >bolts (studs) that bolt the intake to the exhaust manifolds. Of course
> >on old engines they like to break, especially the top ones near the
> >center exhaust ports.
> >
> >The sandwiched perf metal one goes on the head, I think smoothest side
> >to the block, perfs out. It will (barely) stay on the locating dowels as
> >you assemble. The blue one goes on top (towards manifold). It ought to
> >be marked, but I'm fairly sure it's symmetrical. The loop in the middle
> >of the blue intake gasket goes up. I had one once that needed to be
> >clipped slightly to not be pinched by the manifold against the block.
> >
> >The reason for loosening the two manifold halves is of course that the
> >intake gasket (two gaskets) is thicker than the exhaust (one gasket).
> >Just snug (inch/lbs by hand) the manifolds up to the block (the gaskets
> >will want to slip down as you assemble them) before re-tightenin the
> >manifold halfs.
> >
> >I always recheck torque after getting it hot for a day or so, but it
> >seems to be  a waste of tim ewith these new gaskets.
> >
> 


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:17 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] backfire through carb
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1150920558.6260.11.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 08:28 -0700, Jim Blair wrote:
> Too retarded is more likely to cause backfire under those conditions. Also 
> vacuum leak, weak spark, too lean, cam walk are also in the running. Then 
> there is sticking valves ( a bit of Marvel Mystery oil in the tank helps 
> that!) and vacuum advance with a hole in it. If you're running points, the 
> dist internal ground could be seperating, points getting too much 
> resistance, and a whole lot of other things. (I could tell what it was if I 
> could hear/see it in person)

Thanks for the tips. I'll start diagnosing this weekend (sigh, I have
other things to do).

I've got a Duraspark II, I'll check distro and timing and eliminate all
that. Engine should be like-new (20K mi), so sticky valves seems
unlikely, it's lived on synth oil changed religiously.

I have it pretty lean, so that's a candidate; I'll re-check the squirter
for stroke and leaks (I had a bad squirt pump diaphragm last year). It
does seem to happen only when the secondary is open, so I can rich that
up a jet size or two or three (it never cruises with secondary open;
it's really easy to feel in the pedal).

I hope it's ignition or sec main jet cuz it's easy to fix and I'm lazy.

Thanks again!

tomj


> 
> Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73 
> J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck http://www.virtualjeep.com
> 
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> 
> From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] backfire through carb
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <1150867004.5747.57.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> No suggestions on the backfire? I think I'm wrong on it being
> through
> the carb, it just "sounds like it" while driving. I'll pull the
> air
> filter (annoyin Weber clips) this weekend to make sure it's not
> in the
> carb. Could be I suppose.
> 
> If it were through-carb backfire, on WOT/2000rpm, that would
> only be too
> much advance, right? So it would be firing before the intake
> fully
> closes?
> 
> Through more test driving I realized it backfires a lot of the
> time,
> always wide open throttle under relatively low-speed, high-load
> conditions.
> 
> I'll re-check timing this weekend, but I know the total was 40
> or so,
> and that mech and vacc advances were at least working.
> 
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:48:29 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] dual snorkle
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Got snorkle?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330000203865
Maybe some of you Mopar fans here can let me know specifically what this
goes to, I have had it for quite awhile, neat item but no use for it, glad I
didn't butcher it up in the late 80s, as I'm rather handy with hacksaw after
some Jagermeister.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330000204622
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Call if important*
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:30:16 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 300M wheels on Eagles
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These new Chrysler wheels are built along the
AMC 'TRU-CENTRIC' Eagle wheel lines:

mounting surface shifted more to the outside
keeping 'outer-hang' to a minimum.

Will these fit the AMC Eagle bolt pattern -
if not - is there a disc swap or mod available not
utilizing spacers ?


   Bt.
      NEW YORK


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